what was edwin valero chances at 140?

[zero188]

The only person who would give him a fight is maidana. That would be a bloodbath. I still see that piece of **** winning though. Pac would not have him.

[wazaa.]

Valero was a raw uncut diamond. I'd favour him over anyone at 140 except Bradley and Khan.

Valero-JMM would be one hell of a fight also.

[mrlopez]

the only fighter that could've beat him at 140 is pacquiao. He walks right through everone else by ko/tko.

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[empiricix]

im not sure who he beats but all u guys r overrating the fudge out of him.

Yeah, just like people over-rated Bradley and Alexander in the first place.

People need to just wait until fighters really establish themselves by defeating top opposition before declaring their greatness.

[PandaKilla]

I want to judge a fighter by his record, who he fights as well as what he does.

Now don't get me wrong, he had speed, good footwork, ok body movement, no head movement, fairly open, decent timing and counters, and good power, but that is overrated.

When I heard he was going up to 140, I did some research into him. 140 is my favourite division right now.

Let's talk, OK well yes he had speed, but he faced Demarco in his last fight which showed him to be really good. However, you gotta look at whgo Demarco is, and he isn't really anyone. His speed was there, and he showed a lot of heart, so much heart with that fat ass cut. However he hit Demarco with everything and the kid was still there. Impressive win, but he did need to step up for me to see what he really was like.

In fact Valero has overrated power, I watched quite a few of his fights and many were tKO's that were way too early.

When he stepped up to Mosquera, again he showed a good display, but got hit a fair few times, dropped maybe once or twice from memory, but also got the other guy down a few times. This guy took a lot of shots to get broken down. This shwoed me Valero had OK power at a higher level, but he does have that physical ability to hit people with power shots which wins rounds.

Now, at 140, how would he have done?

South paw is a key for him, it helps a lot.

Bradley may have been dropped a few times, but his body movement, stength and workrate is pretty high. He could match Valero in terms of the speed possibly, but the workrate definitely. Bradley would make it very hard for Valero to hit him and would win a UD in my eyes.



Khan to me could get broken down, but Valero wasn't really an inside fighter from what I have seen. Correct me if I am wrong, but anyway Valero likes to counter, or come forward from the outside. Sparring videos showed me that Valero did not like long, rangey, tall guys, even in a documentary there was a trainer who commented on this. Bradley's inside fighting and pressure would be too much.

Khan has more speed, long arms and a very accurate jab. IMO Khan is harder to counter because he has fast legs too. Valero could TKO him possibly, but Khan wins a UD too in my eyes. I don't think Khan would trade. Khan's jab would control him at distance, especially since Valero keeps his hands very low.

Kotelnik could have blocked a lot of punches, a very good defence and boxing technnician that he is. He would have controlled Valero at times, but hard to say whether he could win a UD. It would defintiely go 12 rounds with him not having great power, and having a good chin and defence to last the 12.

Maidana would give him a fight. Personally Maidana would be the best Valero would have fought if this fight happened. Maidana has a solid chin, and IMO Valero's power is overrated, a little like Maidana's. However I believe Maidana could have taken Valero out, that's if Valero came in a lot. Maidana is very tough like Valero, but has proven himself in a way by fighting better fighters. Valero's speed could win him a UD, or Maidana KO's Valero. Basically you do not wanna hold your hands low VS Maidana. The reason why I feel Valero wouldn't KO Maidana, he gets up everytime and is damn tough.

Alexander has speed that matches, and is a southpaw. I know Valero chased Manny up in the weights and Arum promised him a fight, but even the southpaw Alexander would be too fast and have enough skills to beat Valero. Alexander didn't show me any heart, and his feet often get him onto the ropes, so this is where Valero could outwork him. The Kotelnik and Bradley fights showed me that Alexander is easy to hit, and doesn't like to get hit. Valero could take this.

Ortiz gets TKO'd. The kid hates getting hit.

Peterson gets KO'd. His chin is pretty weak, and his skills aren't that good defensively as it should be. He struggled VS Ortiz who is slower than Valero, and a southpaw.

Matthyse makes it a damn good fight. I don't know enough on him though.

Judah defintiely gets brokwn down and gets stopped at this stage.

Mabuza again I don't know much, only seen a few fights, but I would guess he would lose from what I have seen.

[Southpawology]

i would pawn my grandmothers ashes to see valero vs maidana

[Check_hooks]

People really think Maidana would stand a chance? He got dropped by a bodyshot by AMIR "Pillow Punches" KHAN!

Valero would make Maidana his b*tch.

[PandaKilla]

People really think Maidana would stand a chance? He got dropped by a bodyshot by AMIR "Pillow Punches" KHAN!

Valero would make Maidana his b*tch.

Amir has pillow fists?

No offence, but Amir has decent power.

Tell me who on Valero's resume showed thast Valero has world class power. You can not.

Maidana has a very good chin. Maidana has decent power also.

In fact I bet I have seen more fights of Valero than you. A lot of his early stoppages were early. Maybe in Japan that is how they do thigns.

Anyone who gets hit on the liver gets hurt. That is boxing.

[Dagomba]

Let's talk, OK well yes he had speed, but he faced Demarco in his last fight which showed him to be really good. However, you gotta look at whgo Demarco is, and he isn't really anyone. His speed was there, and he showed a lot of heart, so much heart with that fat ass cut. However he hit Demarco with everything and the kid was still there. Impressive win, but he did need to step up for me to see what he really was like.

I think he did what he needed to do. He said so himself before the fight. This time the KO wasn't the first and only thing on his mind. I think he showed another side to Valero that many wanted to see. We saw a defense that not many people thought he had. He was able to counter with both hands. Contrary to people's belief Valero wasn't a one punch KO artist that's why Demarco took all his punches until the corner stopped it. Plus Demarco showed a good chin vs Alfaro.

Now, at 140, how would he have done?

South paw is a key for him, it helps a lot.

Bradley may have been dropped a few times, but his body movement, stength and workrate is pretty high. He could match Valero in terms of the speed possibly, but the workrate definitely. Bradley would make it very hard for Valero to hit him and would win a UD in my eyes.

I think Bradley would have been one Valero's less dificult fights. Bradley when we see him against southpaws he opens wide with his left and that can be countered by a straight left or a short cross counter by a southpaw's left. Which to me was Valero's strongest punch. The only way anyone would have gotten a UD vs Valero is if he was completely outboxed. I don't think Bradley is good enought to make Valero miss in a hypothetical fight.

Khan to me could get broken down, but Valero wasn't really an inside fighter from what I have seen. Correct me if I am wrong, but anyway Valero likes to counter, or come forward from the outside. Sparring videos showed me that Valero did not like long, rangey, tall guys, even in a documentary there was a trainer who commented on this. Bradley's inside fighting and pressure would be too much.

Khan has more speed, long arms and a very accurate jab. IMO Khan is harder to counter because he has fast legs too. Valero could TKO him possibly, but Khan wins a UD too in my eyes. I don't think Khan would trade. Khan's jab would control him at distance, especially since Valero keeps his hands very low.

I think Khan would have been very difficult for him at first. If Valero were to adjust and only if,he was able to catch Khan a few times with overhead punches, Khan would have been on retreat and we saw that Khan isn't really good fighting while moving back and Valero's element was attacking a scared opponent. I agree with you on Khan to an extent.

Kotelnik could have blocked a lot of punches, a very good defence and boxing technnician that he is. He would have controlled Valero at times, but hard to say whether he could win a UD. It would defintiely go 12 rounds with him not having great power, and having a good chin and defence to last the 12.

Kotelnik would be there to get hit. Valero liked to hit anywhere because like I said before, he's more of a volume puncher and he knew it. On his mind it was only matter of time before he wore people down.

Maidana would give him a fight. Personally Maidana would be the best Valero would have fought if this fight happened. Maidana has a solid chin, and IMO Valero's power is overrated, a little like Maidana's. However I believe Maidana could have taken Valero out, that's if Valero came in a lot. Maidana is very tough like Valero, but has proven himself in a way by fighting better fighters. Valero's speed could win him a UD, or Maidana KO's Valero. Basically you do not wanna hold your hands low VS Maidana. The reason why I feel Valero wouldn't KO Maidana, he gets up everytime and is damn tough.

Completely agree I think this is the only fight he either loses or wins by UD.

I think Valero would have beaten many of his opponets at 140 while continuing to grow as a more technical fighter. He knew that stage of his career where he was getting by on sheer natural talent was over. He was begging to adjust to fighters and looking at the 10th or 12th round as sure thing.

[PandaKilla]

I think he did what he needed to do. He said so himself before the fight. This time the KO wasn't the first and only thing on his mind. I think he showed another side to Valero that many wanted to see. We saw a defense that not many people thought he had. He was able to counter with both hands. Contrary to people's belief Valero wasn't a one punch KO artist that's why Demarco took all his punches until the corner stopped it. Plus Demarco showed a good chin vs Alfaro.

I see, however I do feel he hit Demarco with a lot of Power shots. He did stop him, maybe it was his team, but Demarco was still there. Yes I agree he doesn't have 1 punch KO power.
His defence was OK in this fight, but he didn't face a top level offense, someone like Khan, Alexander could tag him with range and speed, and Bradley would IMO stay on him on the inside.

I think Bradley would have been one Valero's less dificult fights. Bradley when we see him against southpaws he opens wide with his left and that can be countered by a straight left or a short cross counter by a southpaw's left. Which to me was Valero's strongest punch. The only way anyone would have gotten a UD vs Valero is if he was completely outboxed. I don't think Bradley is good enought to make Valero miss in a hypothetical fight.

Yes Bradley can be very wild, and Valero too when he is under pressure. Valero with time can be very good, but with good pressure, in real fights and sparring he has lost his head. Bradley has a wicked right hand that would take Valero's head back too IMO. Bradley does get close and with low hands, that is not a good sign. Valero could be cut just as badly VS Bradley. His arms low is what caused the calsh of head, or was it an elbow VS Demarco. I recall Valero being furious with the ref anyway.

I rate Bradley quite high myself, maybe a little bias? I certainly do not think anyone with the body movement of Bradley will allow Valero to hit him that much.

I think Khan would have been very difficult for him at first. If Valero were to adjust and only if,he was able to catch Khan a few times with overhead punches, Khan would have been on retreat and we saw that Khan isn't really good fighting while moving back and Valero's element was attacking a scared opponent. I agree with you on Khan to an extent.

[B]It is true that if Valero put pressure on Khan, then Khan would struggle, but Paulie has a simialr speed, and footwork speed too, and is open and got hit. Yes southpaws are different. Now it is whether or not Khan wins the rounds by constantly tagging Valero, or the pressure getting to him. [/B]

Kotelnik would be there to get hit. Valero liked to hit anywhere because like I said before, he's more of a volume puncher and he knew it. On his mind it was only matter of time before he wore people down.

I personally believe Kotelnik has good countering ability and a defence that would frustrate Valero. Hard to say though.

Completely agree I think this is the only fight he either loses or wins by UD.

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I think Valero would have beaten many of his opponets at 140 while continuing to grow as a more technical fighter. He knew that stage of his career where he was getting by on sheer natural talent was over. He was begging to adjust to fighters and looking at the 10th or 12th round as sure thing.


Yes I do believe he was going to be big. I let that Demarco win think wow he is great, but after watching so many more fights at 140 of all of them, I came to my judgement that he would have found it hard.

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