Why Did Wladimir Collapse after 4 rounds and Vitaliy did not ?

[jabsRstiff]

1. My argument is in the previous message.

2. How do judges score the rounds? On the "psyche involved"? Great guess.

Can you judge a round, just by numbers ?

What if Paul Spadafora lands a lot of his pitter-pats, but Diego Corrales lands a few huge, debilitating punches ?
Edge.....Corrales.


The numbers apply FAR LESS when it comes to stamina.
Admit it....Wlad & Vitali are two different fighters.
How come Vitali could stand up to Sanders' left hand, but Wlad couldn't ?

[Nautilus]

He said Vitali is a "naturally" larger man. Wladimir put on 40-50 pounds of muscle to become a heavyweight. Vitali is a natural heavyweight.

Wladimir and a lot of other HW boxers probably got an extra 30-40LB pounds since being 19-20. I am sure Vitaliy did too. So did many other outstanding HW boxers who competed in the Olympics at cruiserweight and LHW.

At least there was a point in time when Vitaliy and Wlad were both 40-50LB lighter.

[Pno]

KO loss to Sanders...
not panic, but a$$ whooping!
give WK credit though, he did stand back up for several of those knock downs AND the ref waved the fight off!!!

now let's look at Brewster... more power than Sanders??? NO

and even if so, Brewster didn't land a good shot against WK. and somehow WK couldn't even get himself off the canvas?
I don't think so!

[urdaddyinAZ]

First off, they are not two totally different people, they have the same parents and grew up in the same household.

Second, Wlad did not panic because Brewster would not go down, he collapsed due to exaustion and went to the hospital. Brewster didn't hit Wlad nearly as hard or as much as Sanders did, and Wlad kept getting up and trying to fight back.

Third, who is your world class marathon runner brother? What place did he get in the Olympic Trials. If he is a sub 2:20 (world class is bout 2:06-2:08, but your point is made)guy, you can break 3:00 with about two months of training.

Unless you're a simese twin I don't think because you have the same parents makes you the same person. How do you know he didn't panic? Were you in his head? He sure looked paniced to me. The claims that Wlad did one thing in one fight and a totally different something in another also brings no merit. Two seperate occasions.....different circumstances....different fighters.....different type punches.....punch locations....everything. Just because you react to a situation one way, one time, does not mean you will always act likewise in the future. I still think he punched himself out trying to stop Brewster....then got hit with a couple decent shots (albeit to the common eye nowhere near the shots he took from Sanders), paniced and lost all his stamina.

In response to the other claim about panic, yes you do get amped and feel a rush at first.....but what happens when the rush leaves. YOU FEEL EXHAUSTED.....that rush left when he heard the bell ring and the round was over.

[Nautilus]

Can you judge a round, just by numbers ?

What if Paul Spadafora lands a lot of his pitter-pats, but Diego Corrales lands a few huge, debilitating punches ?
Edge.....Corrales.


The numbers apply FAR LESS when it comes to stamina.
Admit it....Wlad & Vitali are two different fighters.
How come Vitali could stand up to Sanders' left hand, but Wlad couldn't ?

Numbers alone do not decide a round, but numbers do provide important objective information.

Vitali did not let Corrie lend his great left punch consequetively. That made a huge difference. This however is not related to the stamina of two brothers discussed here.

[jabsRstiff]

Numbers alone do not decide a round, but numbers provide important objective information.

Vitali did not let Corrie lend his great left punch consequetively. That's madea huge difference. This however is NOT related to the stamina of two brothers discussed here.

Sanders' first clean left put Wlad down....it's not like Corrie needed any more than that.

"This however is NOT related to the stamina of two brothers discussed here"

Well, two brothers, & how they handle stress, also NOT RELATED !

[jabsRstiff]

Listen.....I'm not arguing with you guys because I don't like the Klits.

I think you guys are just letting emotions cloud your judgement, & create bizarre theories.

You're coming off as sore sports with this ridiculousness.

[guru]

wlad punched himself out agianst lame-ass brewster... he threw alot of HARD punches trying to take lame-ass out and look impressive by stopping a guy early, who had never been knocked down before...

the numbers don't tell you how hard a guy is punching... wlad was putting everything he had behind alot of his punches...

[Pno]

I disagree with the exhaustion from panic theory.

I can stand up and move around when I'm exhausted. WK could barely even stand on his own accord!!!
and if you listen to what HE says (granted you'll have to be unbiased and assume he is not a liar) he was fatigued from like the 2nd round and HE DIDN'T KNOW WHY. If you want to know, ask him. Why would he lie to save face? This man is intellegent, a Doctor.

Did you read the articles that Boxingscene put up about this fight? How there was an intruder in the Klitschko camp at this fight? How all the samples that were taken at the hospital magically 'dissapeared'? How the water bottle that was given to WK couldn't be found right after the fight? How the FBI was involved?

wow, lots of stuff happenening from a little bit of panic...

oh yeah, that's right!! Don King has never been thought of to fix fights or corrupt boxing... NEVER!! I would never DREAM of hearing such a thing!! *faint*

[Nautilus]

Sanders' first clean left put Wlad down....it's not like Corrie needed any more than that.

"This however is NOT related to the stamina of two brothers discussed here"

Well, two brothers, & how they handle stress, also NOT RELATED !

No, if you watch carefully, in the beginning Wlad missed one very strong left punch that shook him. Wlad then got pissed and tried to hit Sanders hard in return, and then Wlad almost immediately missed the SECOND exactly same hard left punch that sent him on the canvas.