Why Did Wladimir Collapse after 4 rounds and Vitaliy did not ?

[tri4ben2]

They are two totally different people! You can't honestly think just because Vit can throw 50-80 punches for 8 rounds and not collapse that Wlad should be able to also, can you? I have a brother that is a world class marathon runner, but if I run for more than a couple miles I'll start puking! I think Wlad's problem in the Brewster fight was panic. Ever panic about something then feel totally drained afterwards? I think he was getting frustrated that he couldn't put Brewster away, then he got hit with a couple good shots and started to panic.....causing high amounts of fatigue.

The comparison of the two based on them being brothers is asinine.

First off, they are not two totally different people, they have the same parents and grew up in the same household.

Second, Wlad did not panic because Brewster would not go down, he collapsed due to exaustion and went to the hospital. Brewster didn't hit Wlad nearly as hard or as much as Sanders did, and Wlad kept getting up and trying to fight back.

Third, who is your world class marathon runner brother? What place did he get in the Olympic Trials. If he is a sub 2:20 (world class is bout 2:06-2:08, but your point is made)guy, you can break 3:00 with about two months of training.

[jabsRstiff]

Can you please reply to my comments at least, I gave a strong arguement.

Read my first post....before yours, urdady.
What did you say differently than I ?

I said "panic"....I said "mentally weak".

[jabsRstiff]

Nautilus...

PLEASE....stop with the excuses !

For the last time you psychotic Klit fans....

Wlad Klit is a MENTALLY WEAK fighter.
If ANY of you GEEKS had ever boxed for real....you'd realize how a fighter without true confidence could fizzle out.

Vitali is more of a poised, natural fighter than his younger brother.
He doesn't PANIC....& that's why he HOLDS HIS **** TOGETHER !


GOT IT ?

This is more relevant to BOXING, than some numbers.

[jabsRstiff]

First off, they are not two totally different people, they have the same parents and grew up in the same household.

Second, Wlad did not panic because Brewster would not go down, he collapsed due to exaustion and went to the hospital. Brewster didn't hit Wlad nearly as hard or as much as Sanders did, and Wlad kept getting up and trying to fight back.

Third, who is your world class marathon runner brother? What place did he get in the Olympic Trials. If he is a sub 2:20 (world class is bout 2:06-2:08, but your point is made)guy, you can break 3:00 with about two months of training.

Michael & Leon Spinks grew up in the same household.

Leon was destroyed by Larry Holmes in three rounds.
Michael twice decisioned Larry.


Leon was poisoned, or sick, obviously.

[Pno]

The panic theory may make some sense.
I don't think that I get extremely tired when I panic though, more like I get hyper and on edge.
could be.

I'm relying on WK's knowledge of sports, sports medicine, sports therapy etc.

We're talking about BREWSTER. That is a fight that WK had NO UNDERSTANDING on as a Doctor. The other losses, he didn't complain or argue, he took them as defeats.

I could see one of the big **** talking boxers trying to defend a loss, but the K brothers have more dignity than that.

[Nautilus]

They are two totally different people! You can't honestly think just because Vit can throw 50-80 punches for 8 rounds and not collapse that Wlad should be able to also, can you? I have a brother that is a world class marathon runner, but if I run for more than a couple miles I'll start puking! I think Wlad's problem in the Brewster fight was panic. Ever panic about something then feel totally drained afterwards? I think he was getting frustrated that he couldn't put Brewster away, then he got hit with a couple good shots and started to panic.....causing high amounts of fatigue.

The comparison of the two based on them being brothers is asinine.

1. Wlad is an established boxer, an Olympic champion and a former WBO world champion. Wlad has a VERIFIABLE history of boxing at a HIGH TEMPO. Plase do check the COMPUBOX numbers for his fight with Mercer, for example. Moreover, Wlad and Vitaliy have been training side-by-side for many years, having very identical routines that build stamina.

2. The same can not be said about you. As you stated, you are not an Olympic champion in marathon, not a world champion; you are not a runner; and you do not train with your brother. Thus, your own words show that you have provided a very poor example that FAILS to approximate my example with any reasonable degree.

3. Since you have provided a poor example, your only argument so far is the above proclamation of "asininity", as you say.

[ProBox1]

Listen wlad is 1 inch shortet than vit and useally weighs 240-245 while vit y\useally weigh 245-250. You call that a big different, wlad has had higher tempo before. theres something fishy here.

Wlad was pushdown to 91 because vit was supposed to be in 91+
He pushed himself down a lot and had big problems making that weight.

Besides thats 8 years ago i think you get used to 40-50 pounds of muscle weight in that time.

He said Vitali is a "naturally" larger man. Wladimir put on 40-50 pounds of muscle to become a heavyweight. Vitali is a natural heavyweight.

[Pno]

what's his professional record after becoming a HW?

[Nautilus]

Nautilus.....


If your argument is that what one boxing brother does, the other also does automatically.....it is YOU who has far more to prove.

If you think this fighter was poisoned, or sick, the burden is even heavier.


I'm using BOXING knowledge here.....an understanding of FIGHTING, & the psyche involved.

You're using numbers that just don't mean a thing.

1. My argument is in the previous message.

2. How do judges score the rounds? On the "psyche involved"? Great guess.

[jabsRstiff]

"1. Wlad is an established boxer, an Olympic champion and a former WBO world champion. Wlad has a VERIFIABLE history of boxing at a HIGH TEMPO. Plase do check the COMPUBOX numbers for his fight with Mercer, for example. Moreover, Wlad and Vitaliy have been training side-by-side for many years, having very identical routines that build stamina."

So, you don't believe the resounding KO loss to Sanders could have anything to do with Wlad losing confidence....thus, seriously effecting his stamina ?