Bernard Hopkins at it again: "The Klitschko Brothers Are "Just Lucky"

[G-DOGS]

You're seriously going to argue that K2's domination isn't a result of them being in a weak division?

No more or less than Hopkins domination of the middleweight division.

[BrooklynBomber]

Too bad hopkins was never one to rehydrate a lot of weight.

Hopkins walked around the middleweight frame year round. He was in tremendous shape, dude had a 27" waist for crying out loud.

And you know that how? I know that in magical world of Natas only fat people can rehydrate weight, but in real world of boxing you can rehydrate up to 10% of your bodyweight without actually getting any bigger in waist.
Also there are no sources outside of Bernard Hopkins that would say that he was walking at around 160, neither that he actually had a size 27 waist. I am pretty confident that you also dont know what a size 27 waist looks like, since even size 29 waist on a 6 foot + adult makes him look malnourished.

[flat1985]

And you know that how? I know that in magical world of Natas only fat people can rehydrate weight, but in real world of boxing you can rehydrate up to 10% of your bodyweight without actually getting any bigger in waist.
Also there are no sources outside of Bernard Hopkins that would say that he was walking at around 160, neither that he actually had a size 27 waist. I am pretty confident that you also dont know what a size 27 waist looks like, since even size 29 waist on a 6 foot + adult makes him look malnourished.

If he can make that weight then why should he fight at highter weights?

[BrooklynBomber]

You're seriously going to argue that K2's domination isn't a result of them being in a weak division?

First of all, lets define whats a weak division -- is it a division where top 10 contenders have more then 5 losses each? Or what exactly do you mean by weak division, because I have a real su****ion that the only actual argument you are gonna have for the weakness of the division is because everyone in it got beat up by Klitschkos. Not a good argument at all.

[BrooklynBomber]

If he can make that weight then why should he fight at highter weights?

Are you dim? Did I actually bring up the subject of Hopkins's measure of fighting middleweight? If he can, he might as well, because he is gonna be bigger, stronger, and more fit but dont take it against other fighters when they are bigger, stronger and more fit. A man like hopkins, a man who really is not that athletic, by boxing standards, or talented, but a man who made himself a great fighter through rigorous training and regime, a man, who made most of his career fighting smaller men should not belittle other fighters sharing the same similarities.

[GRANDSLAM]

I can't stand Bernard but he's a master of the mind games. He'd psyche Wlad out in a heartbeat

[SOPH~ REP.]

bhop is just keeping his name in the media

[SOPH~ REP.]

First of all, lets define whats a weak division -- is it a division where top 10 contenders have more then 5 losses each? Or what exactly do you mean by weak division, because I have a real su****ion that the only actual argument you are gonna have for the weakness of the division is because everyone in it got beat up by Klitschkos. Not a good argument at all.

does klitsckos bros combined record have a H.O.F. on it besides Lennox Lewis

[djtmal]

Yeah it is true that the middleweight division was weak but he has enough marquee names on his record to justify his atg career. Even in the fights with oscar and tito if you actually watch the fight and observe he didn't fight them like a bigger man, he wasn't just bullying them using his size and strength he actually beat them with finesse and speed, defence, and brains, because that is his style. He fought roy jones when roy was knocking everyone out in the early part of his career and b-hop himself was still green, and gave him hell, so much so that jones never went anywhere near him during his prime years. You can't compare him with the klitschko's, lol. The bro's competition is ****e, absolute garbage, thats why they have to get guys like shannon briggs, who are 10 years past it to fight them. The division is full of bums, at least with adamek and haye they would be fighting world class fighters albeit natural cruiserweights, lets hope those fights happen

outside of tarver, every marquee name he beat was a welterweight moving up in his middleweight days, or a middleweight moving up to lightheavy at a catchweight...he outboxed tito after watching oscar do it, he was big enough to not fear tito's power enought to step inside and go for the ko, with oscar he was getting outboxed until he mugged and mauled him into submission...and i don't want to hear s**t about how green he was against jones...he was actually ranked higher than jones @ 160 at the time they fought and had identical records....so him having the nerve to say anything derogatory about another fighter makes him a complete hypocritical idiot...

[sunny31]

First of all, lets define whats a weak division -- is it a division where top 10 contenders have more then 5 losses each? Or what exactly do you mean by weak division, because I have a real su****ion that the only actual argument you are gonna have for the weakness of the division is because everyone in it got beat up by Klitschkos. Not a good argument at all.

This is the problem with many of you on nsb, you have to try and justify everything with stats, why can't you just use judgement and know? There doesn't have to be material evidence. I think this is a weak division because I have seen heavyweight boxing since the early 90's, in the flesh and tv and I have boxed myself for several years, and think I have enough knowledge in the sport to identify when someone is a good fighter or not, whether they are fast or not, whether they have good fitness or not, etc. The heavyweights have been on a constant decline since lennox lewis days, there was a shortage then and it has only got worse. At least Lennox beat a lot of good fighters...b, b+ type fighters, and also beat holyfield when he was still very good.

At least there is somewhat of a barometer with vitali because we know he could compete at a level with lewis even if he was past his best, he was still on top when vitali fought him. With Wlad there is no way to know apart from using judgement, like with the current crop of heavyweights its obvious to me that they are at a very poor level, and I have a sneaky su****ion wlad would not last too long with a really good heavyweight.