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  • Gino Ros
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    #31
    Originally posted by -Top Rank-
    If you really think about it all of there stars are either up in age or close to retiring. They haven't show the ability to build fighters so unless then can somehow continue to steal fighters from other companies, they will be in trouble.

    Again, you are trying to make it as if I'm saying GBP can't make money as well as turning this into a Pac vs Floyd pissing match. I implied neither of those things, which is why I said you are twisting my words.
    Juan Diaz

    Amir Khan

    Saul Alvarez

    Victor Ortiz


    How would you say that GBP are doing with those guys?...in terms of building up their names and marketability?



    Listen, I have no problems with you.

    But bob Arum blatantly said that Floyd was ****** (I think he used the word "crazy") for wanting a fight with Oscar. Today, that fight atands as the $$ record. Floyd left TR. Oscar left TR. If Manny had a brain, he would leave TR.

    Bob is smart. No doubt. all credit to him. But he is no more creative or astute than GBP.

    Proof?


    Pound-for-pound king Floyd Mayweather Jr. rejected promoter Bob Arum's $8 million offer to fight welterweight titlist Antonio Margarito, and he instead exercised a provision in his contract to buy Arum out and become a promotional free agent, Arum told ESPN.com on Monday.

    According to Arum, Mayweather turned down the career-best purse to meet Margarito on Aug. 12 on HBO Pay-Per-View, instead opting for free agency by buying Arum out of their deal for $750,000.

    "I did hear from him," Arum said of Mayweather. "He decided not to fight this summer. I made him a tremendous offer. I think Margarito is the riskiest fight for him of anyone out there."

    Mayweather adviser Leonard Ellerbe told ESPN.com that Mayweather passed on the fight not because he is ducking Margarito, but because he couldn't be ready to fight by Aug. 12. Mayweather injured his right hand during a dominating April 8 victory against Zab Judah.

    "Floyd is not 100 percent healthy," Ellerbe said. "He has a bruised right hand. His hand is not broken. It's bruised, but it's a bad bruise. He wants to go into any fight 100 percent healthy. If Antonio Margarito happens to be the best available option when he is healthy, so be it.

    "We are not turning down Margarito. I want to make that crystal clear. When and if he is the best available option for Floyd's next fight, that's the direction he will move in."

    With Aug. 12 no longer set aside for a Mayweather fight, Arum said he will use the date to feature one of his other stars, heavyweight titlist Hasim Rahman, in a mandatory title defense against Oleg Maskaev on HBO PPV.

    That bout, a rematch of Maskaev's 1999 knockout victory, took on greater significance last weekend in the wake of Wladimir Klitschko's title-winning knockout of Chris Byrd in Germany.

    The reason: Among the four recognized heavyweight title holders, Klitschko became the third from a former Soviet republic to beat an American to win a belt, leaving Rahman as the lone American heavyweight champion and Maskaev poised to give Eastern Europe a sweep of the titles in boxing's marquee division.

    Arum said Mayweather preferred to await the outcome of the May 6 Oscar De La Hoya-Ricardo Mayorga fight instead of committing to Margarito because he would prefer to fight De La Hoya.

    "We're not sitting waiting on De La Hoya," Ellerbe said. "He's in a tough, tough fight with Mayorga."

    Many in the sport believe a De La Hoya-Mayweather fight is the biggest fight on the horizon and the only one capable of generating 1 million-plus buys on pay-per-view.

    The reason Mayweather opted for the buyout rather than waiting for the May 6 result was because the contract had a limited window for the buyout, one that expired before the De La Hoya fight. However, Arum said he would have extended the window if Mayweather had asked. What Arum wouldn't do, he said, was raise the guarantees for other fights outlined in the contract.

    Arum said while Mayweather would have taken the $8 million to fight Margarito, he asked for a $10 million guarantee to fight opponents such as Miguel Cotto and Ricky Hatton, when Arum was only willing to guarantee $7 million.

    Arum said Mayweather also asked for $20 million to fight De La Hoya, a fight Arum said he wasn't interested in participating in.

    "That's not in the cards," Arum said. "He wants $20 million for the De La Hoya fight? It's not there. Sometimes, my man, you gotta know when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em. We'll talk about things down the road."

    Ellerbe said Mayweather opted for the buyout so he could be "more in control of when and who he fights next. It's as simple as that. There is nothing bad between Floyd and Bob."

    Arum agreed that the split with Mayweather was not on bad terms like their brief breakup last year. In fact, Arum said, "We intend to be back together. Everything with this was honorable and good. I had offered him numbers [for a multi-fight contract extension] that were livable. His expectations are in the stratosphere. He was entitled to buy me out, and he did. We decided this was the best way to handle it. He is a free agent. We have agreed to work with each other [in the future]."

    The split frees Mayweather to make a potential deal with De La Hoya without Arum as part of the promotion. His involvement would have made making a deal almost impossible: The head of Top Rank has openly feuded with De La Hoya, his former superstar, and their companies rarely do business together as a result.

    Arum said he was simply not interested in participating in a De La Hoya-Mayweather fight, but not because of his distaste for De La Hoya.

    "I don't want to, because if I did that fight, I would be working for such a small percentage, it's not worth it," he said.

    Instead, Arum is turning his attention to the Rahman-Maskaev fight.

    Arum said that he and Maskaev representative Dennis Rappaport are about $300,000 apart on making a deal. If they don't finalize terms, the WBC will hold a purse bid May 1 in Mexico City.

    But Arum is confident they will make the deal.

    "We're very close," he said. "It will take another day to work it out."

    Arum said he is already making arrangements to announce the fight at a news conference in New York on May 10. He added that the fight would take place at either Boardwalk Hall in Atlantic City, N.J., or at the Thomas & Mack Center in Las Vegas.

    Arum said Margarito could wind up on the Rahman-Maskaev card in the co-feature.

    "But it's tentative," Arum said. "If Mayweather decides to fight in September or October, and Margarito could still be a candidate, I want him to be flexible."

    Dan Rafael is the boxing writer for ESPN.com.


    Floyd Mayweather Jr. rejected promoter Bob Arum's $8 million offer to fight welterweight titlist Antonio Margarito, and he instead exercised a provision in his contract to buy Arum out.

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      #32
      Originally posted by Pullcounter
      top rank and imho main events are the only true promoter left in boxing. king has fallen off. everyone else in the promoting business are glorified booking agents. that's why HBO thinks it can push promoters around.
      as much as I dislike that ol' dirty bastard Arum.....I have to admit that you do have a point.....DK has fallen waaaaay off.....and GBP got B.Hop and Mosley pissed off.....Mosley so much that he bounced .....the sport of boxing has begun the year with one foot in the grave imo.....**** has got to change.....fast!!!

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        #33
        Originally posted by Gino Ros
        Arum won't burmn the bridge and he will run back to HBO because HBO's license fees are 3x-4x what SHO pays.

        He will do PPV fights with SHO, because the money comes from Manny, not the network.

        But a non-ppv is a no-brainer for HBO....if they want the fight.
        And, I'm telling you right now, You might think different but that is going to be HBO downfall. They overpay for fights which they don't get a return in their investment.

        Even for the great fights, fights that fans want to see and people can say "wow HBO is doing great". But, don't realize that their budget decrease from 2 or 3 years ago by 15mil and if you keep overpaying for fights then is going to have less fights in a calender year. I mean in the surface it might look great thinking back wow we had this fight and had that fight. But, if they don't outbid their own selves than we could have a lot more solid-to good boxing shows. But, we're missing them cuz' for some reason HBO likes to throw away money.

        HBO I think is hurting right now. I'm pretty sure Mark Taffet is pretty upset that they don't have any big PPVs lined up. HBO gets like what 50% of the PPV revenue? I know them not having a Pac-Mosley PPV is a lost of millions that they would of had.

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          #34
          Originally posted by Mr. Blobby
          HBO wanting fights the fans want to see is a bad thing?
          Freddy Hernandez vs Andre Berto?!?

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            #35
            Originally posted by Gino Ros
            Juan Diaz

            Amir Khan

            Saul Alvarez

            Victor Ortiz


            How would you say that GBP are doing with those guys?...in terms of building up their names and marketability?




            Listen, I have no problems with you.

            But bob Arum blatantly said that Floyd was ****** (I think he used the word "crazy") for wanting a fight with Oscar. Today, that fight atands as the $$ record. Floyd left TR. Oscar left TR. If Manny had a brain, he would leave TR.

            Bob is smart. No doubt. all credit to him. But he is no more creative or astute than GBP.

            Well the verdict is still out on those guys. I like how they managed Diaz career, and the recent moves with Ortiz. The one thing I didn't like was their piss poor efforts with Fight Club on Foxsportsnet.

            While most don't care, I felt that was the perfect platform to build guys like Frankie Gomez, Abner Mares and other young stars. Also i wish they would have expanded it to get guys like Linares and others TV dates because any exposure is always good.

            No doubt they have a Golden opportunity as they have some of the young stars, so it will be interesting to see how that works out.

            Now concerning the Floyd vs Oscar fight, yeah Arum screwed that up. While this is just my opinion, I felt he let his emotions (hate for Oscar) get in the way of logic......even though he claims that wasn't the case.

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              #36
              Originally posted by jrosales13
              And, I'm telling you right now, You might think different but that is going to be HBO downfall. They overpay for fights which they don't get a return in their investment.

              Even for the great fights, fights that fans want to see and people can say "wow HBO is doing great". But, don't realize that their budget decrease from 2 or 3 years ago by 15mil and if you keep overpaying for fights then is going to have less fights in a calender year. I mean in the surface it might look great thinking back wow we had this fight and had that fight. But, if they don't outbid their own selves than we could have a lot more solid-to good boxing shows. But, we're missing them cuz' for some reason HBO likes to throw away money.

              HBO I think is hurting right now. I'm pretty sure Mark Taffet is pretty upset that they don't have any big PPVs lined up. HBO gets like what 50% of the PPV revenue? I know them not having a Pac-Mosley PPV is a lost of millions that they would of had.
              Boxing is just a glamour division for HBO.

              The budget at HBO's Boxing division is about 80-100 million dollars, I believe. Time warner had revenues of $19 Billion. so please put that into perspective.

              Does HBO overpay for fights? ABSOLUTELY. No question about it.

              Does that overpayment threaten the corporations financials? Nope.

              Side note: HBO doesn't get the 50%. the regional carriers (affiliates) do.

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                #37
                Originally posted by -Top Rank-
                Well the verdict is still out on those guys. I like how they managed Diaz career, and the recent moves with Ortiz. The one thing I didn't like was their piss poor efforts with Fight Club on Foxsportsnet.

                While most don't care, I felt that was the perfect platform to build guys like Frankie Gomez, Abner Mares and other young stars. Also i wish they would have expanded it to get guys like Linares and others TV dates because any exposure is always good.

                No doubt they have a Golden opportunity as they have some of the young stars, so it will be interesting to see how that works out.

                Now concerning the Floyd vs Oscar fight, yeah Arum screwed that up. While this is just my opinion, I felt he let his emotions (hate for Oscar) get in the way of logic......even though he claims that wasn't the case.
                That's fair. But Bob also has his Latin Fury and Pinoy Power that are not big sellers. You just need to be marginally profitable on those.

                I do miss Oscar's Boxeo del Oro, though.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Gino Ros
                  Boxing is just a glamour division for HBO.

                  The budget at HBO's Boxing division is about 80-100 million dollars, I believe. Time warner had revenues of $19 Billion. so please put that into perspective.

                  Does HBO overpay for fights? ABSOLUTELY. No question about it.

                  Does that overpayment threaten the corporations financials? Nope.

                  Side note: HBO doesn't get the 50%. the regional carriers (affiliates) do.
                  My bad I didn't word it wrong.

                  I don't think HBO as a whole is in trouble. I mean is Time Warner.

                  But, boxing on HBO is in trouble. From a lot of stuff I gathered people in HBO are not happy with the boxing aspect of it. They're not seeing the ratings that they're use to seeing. They not getting any return in their investment.

                  Them overpaying fights will not do a damn thing to the whole corporation. But, them overpaying, might hurt the whole boxing programing on that channel.

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                    #39
                    And, isn't a percentage of Mark Taffet salary come from the PPV numbers?

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                      #40
                      Think about this:

                      Arum let Floyd buy out a contract for $750K. In the next four fights, Mayweather generated revenues of $270 million.

                      Again: allowed Floyd to buy out of his contract for $750K, thereby missing out on sharing revenues of $270 million.


                      THAT is why Arum hates Floyd.

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