Bob Arum: "Promoters Are Taking Back The Business From The Networks"

[Gino Ros]

People forget that this is NOT the first time Arum has had to go shop his wares to SHO.

Do you remember the Margarito/Cotto double bill? Yep. Showtime.

[Khalid X]

Which is why Arum admitted that the arena events were not financially successful.

Where is Pac-Mosley?
Where is Cotto-Mayorga?

Bob took an L with all the empty seats. Which is why he tucked tail and ran back to the Vegas site fee tit.

Do you even have an UNDERGRADUATE business degree? You haven't said a word about revenues. LMAO.

I was at those bouts and I can tell you first hand they were a success.

Bob didn't take an L and matter fact they will do more events in different venues like Cowboys stadium etc.

Again I said they didn't need Vegas.......that doesn't mean they aren't going to events there.

[Gino Ros]

Unless of course Arum just wants to cede HBO to GBP but is burning a bridge like that truly a wise move.

Arum won't burmn the bridge and he will run back to HBO because HBO's license fees are 3x-4x what SHO pays.

He will do PPV fights with SHO, because the money comes from Manny, not the network.

But a non-ppv is a no-brainer for HBO....if they want the fight.

[Gino Ros]

I was at those bouts and I can tell you first hand they were a success.

Do you know how many of the seats were freebies?

Do you realize that the gate revenues were HALF of Floyd's gate at MGM? Despite waay more attendance?

Do you think Bob cares about seats? Or money?

[The Gambler1981]

Arum won't burmn the bridge and he will run back to HBO because HBO's license fees are 3x-4x what SHO pays.

He will do PPV fights with SHO, because the money comes from Manny, not the network.

But a non-ppv is a no-brainer for HBO....if they want the fight.

That is when the show gets truly interesting, since Bob has already played his major trump cards (although I guess he could always play the game to bring them back to HBO as well)

[Khalid X]

Your post didn't go over ****,

Which is why in the next sentence you had to backtrack ("yes, GBP can put together good ...")

You are talking about something you clearly don't understand. Which is why you type a zillion words...but never talk about MONEY.

Boxing is a business. promoters are businessmen. They are in business to make money.

All your extra words is you showing your ignorance in business.

It obviously did.

In my post I acknowledge GBP is a good promotion company (Only a fool would say otherwise).

I simply stated they were green in a lot of areas and elaborated in another post on what I was talking about.

Again do you want me to break down what I meant by "green in a lot of areas"?

If you want to talk about money that's cool, just say so, but please quit twisting my words for the sake of argument.

[Khalid X]

Arum won't burmn the bridge and he will run back to HBO because HBO's license fees are 3x-4x what SHO pays.

He will do PPV fights with SHO, because the money comes from Manny, not the network.

But a non-ppv is a no-brainer for HBO....if they want the fight.

What are you talking about burning a bridge.

This is nothing more than Arum and Top Rank exploring other options. It's not as serious as you or others are making it out to be.

Top Rank is still doing business with HBO as seen by one of the biggest fights, Donaire vs Montiel, being a HBO headline event.

Again you bring up those stadium events as well, but those were just Arum taking risk and trying something different.

I wish more promoters would do the same, but it seems too many are content with playing it safe and not being creative (from a promotional standpoint).

[Gino Ros]

If you want to talk about money that's cool, just say so, but please quit twisting my words for the sake of argument.

In a conversation about Arum and business, what ELSE would we be talking about?

[Gino Ros]

What are you talking about burning a bridge.

This is nothing more than Arum and Top Rank exploring other options. It's not as serious as you or others are making it out to be.

Top Rank is still doing business with HBO as seen by one of the biggest fights, Donaire vs Montiel, being a HBO headline event.

Again you bring up those stadium events as well, but those were just Arum taking risk and trying something different.

I wish more promoters would do the same, but it seems too many are content with playing it safe and not being creative (from a promotional standpoint).

I said Arum won't burn a bridge. You are arguing with me because I agree with you on this point?

[Khalid X]

In a conversation about Arum and business, what ELSE would we be talking about?

Yes this topic started off with Arum and the business side. However, pullcounter brought up who the real promoters are in boxing. I simple responded to his topic by saying Top Rank and GBP are the only real ones (IMO) aswell as pointing out GBP is good at putting together great cards but are green in other areas.

How you took that as me knocking them, from a business standpoint, is beyond me.

When I stated they are green, again I was referring to their ability to build a star from the ground up, put together independent events for up and coming fighters (only attempt was Valero vs Pintulla), ink deals with tv stations to help show case fighters that aren't stars (e.g. Top Rank live with Foxsportsnet) and so forth and so forth.

Those are just areas I feel they are green in.

If you really think about it all of there stars are either up in age or close to retiring. They haven't show the ability to build fighters so unless then can somehow continue to steal fighters from other companies, they will be in trouble.

Again, you are trying to make it as if I'm saying GBP can't make money as well as turning this into a Pac vs Floyd pissing match. I implied neither of those things, which is why I said you are twisting my words.