Is Pacquiao the undisputed WW champ?

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  • kadyo's
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    #81
    Originally posted by mikemurni
    That makes him a unified WW champ..Being undisputed and unified are linked but sometimes they are not..

    I mean he can be a unified champ by fighting the belt holders and unifying the titles but it doesnt make him the undisputed WW champ because there is still May..

    If he only beats May and Berto, then that makes him undisputed but not the unified WW champ..

    In any case, I rather have Pac become the undisputed WW champ rather than the unified WW champ..
    Yes unified but not necessarily undisputed. However, if you're the undisputed champ then you are also a unified champ because you unified all the belts

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      #82
      Originally posted by kadyo
      Yes unified but not necessarily undisputed. However, if you're the undisputed champ then you are also a unified champ because you unified all the belts
      Undisputed is synonymous to being the lineal champ.. To become the champ you have to beat the champ in that division.. But in cases there is no champ, the #1 and #2 ranked fighters needs to fight to become the undisputed Champ.. So in this case Pac needs to fight May because both of them are ranked 1 and 2 in that division..

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        #83
        Originally posted by mikemurni
        Undisputed is synonymous to being the lineal champ.. To become the champ you have to beat the champ in that division.. But in cases there is no champ, the #1 and #2 ranked fighters needs to fight to become the undisputed Champ.. So in this case Pac needs to fight May because both of them are ranked 1 and 2 in that division..
        Undisputed is not the same as lineal. You can be lineal champ without being undisputed. Undisputed is when you hold all the belts i.e Hopkins at 160.

        Although, its highly unlikely we'll get many undisputed champions these days with sanctioning bodies constantly stripping people of belts for no good reason.

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          #84
          Originally posted by mikemurni
          Undisputed is synonymous to being the lineal champ.. To become the champ you have to beat the champ in that division.. But in cases there is no champ, the #1 and #2 ranked fighters needs to fight to become the undisputed Champ.. So in this case Pac needs to fight May because both of them are ranked 1 and 2 in that division..
          Undisputed is different from lineal champ and you're second sentence refers to the ringmag champ. The ringmag made an exception to pac when he was the #1 WW ranked fighter, he could fight the #2(mayweather) or #3(mosley) to become the ringmag WW champ but he was replaced as the #1 ranked fighter by mayweather when floyd beat JMM and I don't know if that rule still stands now tha pac is the #1 ranked WW fighter again.

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            #85
            Originally posted by Dirk Diggler UK
            Undisputed is not the same as lineal. You can be lineal champ without being undisputed. Undisputed is when you hold all the belts i.e Hopkins at 160.

            Although, its highly unlikely we'll get many undisputed champions these days with sanctioning bodies constantly stripping people of belts for no good reason.
            Yeah, correct me if I'm wrong , I think bhop was the last undisputed champ at this point in time.

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              #86
              Originally posted by Dirk Diggler UK
              Undisputed is not the same as lineal. You can be lineal champ without being undisputed. Undisputed is when you hold all the belts i.e Hopkins at 160.

              Although, its highly unlikely we'll get many undisputed champions these days with sanctioning bodies constantly stripping people of belts for no good reason.
              That's unified and not undisputed..

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                #87
                Originally posted by mikemurni
                That's unified and not undisputed..
                whaaaat?????

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                  #88
                  Belts are scattered no Undisputed Champion at Welterweight atm


                  Lineal :


                  Floyd Was lineal after beating Baldomir. Mosley has claim on being Lineal so we can say


                  Floyd is the Lineal champion......but... he's on vacation.

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                    #89
                    Originally posted by kadyo
                    whaaaat?????
                    When you hold all the belts, it makes you the unified champ.. But not exactly the undisputed..

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                      #90
                      Originally posted by mikemurni
                      When you hold all the belts, it makes you the unified champ.. But not exactly the undisputed..
                      Is quite obvious you do not know what undisputed means.

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