How do you rank Barrera, Marquez, Morales

[mushahadeen]

Come on Marquez is fighting these guys when they're washed up. Why? Because in their primes they would kick his ass.

[Khalid X]

in case people wanna hear it from the horse's own mouth.

Go to 4:00 of this clip for the pwnage.

Again why are you quoting Steward a guy who has no control over either fighters career. Please post a clip from either guys Manager/promoter or the fighter himself. I can do the latter.....can you?

[Bastian Loc]

Are boxing judges really infallible arbiters of truth and justice? No? Then their scores are not 'FACTS'. They are, in fact, some of the most easily corruptible and plain incompetent officiators that you'll find in any field that requires officiating.

lol...

that's so far from the truth it's not even funny. Steward was just a trainer and had no control over Hamed's career. That job belonged the Frank Warren.

Both Beristein and Marquez admitted that they weren't ready for the Hamed fight, as well as being offered almost half a million, a carreer high payday. There excuse was "where too exhausted to negotiate", and "Hamed is a diffucult fight and where not ready for him right now".

but again I'll just let you believe the lie that Hamed ducked Marquez.

FWIW Marquez was offered a career high payday against Morales, but turned down that fight as well.

Steward may just be a trainer, but he trained the fighter that ducked JMM and admitted JMM was too good for Hamed on live tv.

Anyone could see that it was a wise move because a guy as skilled as Marquez would've picked the amateurish Hamed apart with ease.

[Bastian Loc]

Again why are you quoting Steward a guy who has no control over either fighters career. Please post a clip from either guys Manager/promoter or the fighter himself. I can do the latter.....can you?

That clip is more than good enough for me. Hearing Steward (a guy who knows boxing) say it holds more weight than some manager or promoter who basically lie for a living.

[joelab75]

Are boxing judges really infallible arbiters of truth and justice? No? Then their scores are not 'FACTS'. They are, in fact, some of the most easily corruptible and plain incompetent officiators that you'll find in any field that requires officiating.

so what is the FACT? because you thought JMM won one of those fights it was suddenly a FACT? there is a corruption everywhere. the fight was close. there was no robbery.

Pac should have won the first fight but because of one of the judges error the fight was a DRAW. Manny wasnt crying abt it.! FACT

[Khalid X]

That clip is more than good enough for me. Hearing Steward (a guy who knows boxing) say it holds more weight than some manager or promoter who basically lie for a living.

Actually hearing it from the fighter himself holds more weight IMO.

Again Marquez himself admitted he wasn't ready as well as confirming he was offered 400k, a career high payday.

Who gives a **** what steward has to say because the negioation never involved him only Frank Warren, Nacho Beristain and Frank Beltran.

Why anyone quotes trainers when it comes to discussing negotiations is beyond me.

[2120]

Morales:
Manny Pacquiao
Junior Jones
Kevin Kelley
Carlos Hernandez
Daniel Zaragoza
Paulie Ayala
Marco Antonio Barrera
Wayne McCullough
In Joo Chii


Barrera:
Paulie Ayala
Johnny Tapia
Rocky Jaurez
Naseem Hamed
Kevin Kelley
Erik Morales 2x
Enrique Sachez
Kennedy McKinnely

Marquez:
Derrick Gainer
Rocky Jaurez
Joel Casamayor
Juan Diaz 2x
Marco Antonio Barrera
Michael Katsidis


IMO Both Barrera and Morales are ATG's and Juan Marquez is bordeline possibly just a HOF type of fighter.

I think most are blinded by his recent success, but I have always felt Barrera and Morales clearly had better careers, although Marquez has closed the gap with his late career surge.

Marquez out performed Marco in all their common opponents and Morales also out performed Marco in their common opponents

FANTASY fight. like you fantasize about JMM being the best of the three. you have to go with the FACTS. and FACTS dont lie.

facts are that hamed, Marco, and Morales fought less deserving challengers while Marquez was a top contender at featherweight. go ahead and find a ring magazine from that time and you will find that Marquez was rated in the top 5 by all three major alphabet organizations before he pick up his belt from the ibf.

that's so far from the truth it's not even funny. Steward was just a trainer and had no control over Hamed's career. That job belonged the Frank Warren.

Both Beristein and Marquez admitted that they weren't ready for the Hamed fight, as well as being offered almost half a million, a carreer high payday. There excuse was "where too exhausted to negotiate", and "Hamed is a diffucult fight and where not ready for him right now".

but again I'll just let you believe the lie that Hamed ducked Marquez.

why people ignore the fact that fight was offered on short notice

Marquez was hamed mando for 2 years and the only time he gets offered the fight is on short notice. mean while hamed is beating less deserving fighters

[Bastian Loc]

Actually hearing it from the fighter himself holds more weight IMO.

Again Marquez himself admitted he wasn't ready as well as confirming he was offered 400k, a career high payday.

Who gives a **** what steward has to say because the negioation never involved him only Frank Warren, Nacho Beristain and Frank Beltran.

Why anyone quotes trainers when it comes to discussing negotiations is beyond me.

Why do people listen to Freddy Roach? Because he knows the sport and he knows his fighter.

Listening to the guys who are paid to lie and manipulate is what should be beyond you.

Like any promoter is gonna come out and say: "yeah, the guy I make my money off is out ducking better fighters"

[Pullcounter]

At this point in time, how do yo rank these 3 in order of greatness?
I have it:
#1. JMM
#2. Barrera
#3. Morales

1) morales
2) mab
3) jmm

if you have it any other way, you are messed up in the head. clearly morales is better than both and mab is better than jmm.

out of these guys morales alone beat pac. mab lost to pac 2x and jmm lost to pac 2x. mab was robbed against jmm imho. he should've won.

having jmm ahead of morales or mab is just wrong. comparing them as they are now is ****ed up. morales and mab fought war after war after war. jmm didn't take a lot of damage early in his career.

morales is the best, mab is second best, and jmm is third

[Khalid X]

why people ignore the fact that fight was offered on short notice

Marquez was hamed mando for 2 years and the only time he gets offered the fight is on short notice. mean while hamed is beating less deserving fighters

I know that's the excuse the Marquez camp likes to give..... but whatever.

If for 2 years you have been crying for a fight, and then someone not only offers you the fight, but a career high payday .......on HBO......you mean to tell me your gonna turn it down?

Let's be serious for a second.