Measuring Manny: Has he improved since 2008?

[Carpe Diem]

Manny's 5' 6".

Who are we measuring next?

Wrong. Super Wapakman is much taller than that. Stop generalizing, *****!

[Carpe Diem]

Thanks for responding bro. Actually Manny's right hand activity is grossly exaggerated. Many people believe Manny improved his right hand AFTER the 2008 fight with Marquez when in actuality that's not true. Let's break this down with CompuBox and recall some analysis of ringside announcers who witness these fighters up close and personal.

When Manny Pacquiao faced Marquez, 4yrs after their first bout in 2004, he was a complete fighter with two hands. Want some proof? Suuuuuure i'll be more than glad to give ya proof.

Marquez/Pacquiao II- Rd 1 @ 2:41-2:24 mark (right after the opening bell):
"Is it round 13 of the first fight, in which case Juan Manuel's technical skills could be the difference? Or is it a different fight because Manny Pacquaio has progressed so much as a boxer and has so developed his right hand in the 4 years since the first fight?", Lampley's opening statement.

Manny had clearly developed his right hand jab and was not 1-handed fighter any more (like he was in 2004). This was in March '08, he faced Oscar in December of '08 (after fighting in June '08). People get the misconception that Manny improved dramatically by the time faced Diaz, then Oscar. But ppl don't realize all both of these fights were in 2008- after his 2nd bout w/ Marquez. The misconception happens because Pacquiao wizzed through those guys because they were stationary, less skilled opponents.

Let's compare Manny's right hand jab activity in the Oscar fight to the Marquez II fights (both these same yr- 2008) via CompuBox:

Round 1 Jabs:
Against Marquez: 4/26 (landed 4, threw 26)= 15%
Against Oscar: 2/29 (landed 2, threw 29)= 7%

Round 2 Jabs:
Against Marquez: 0/32 (landed 0, threw 32)= 0%
Against Oscar: 6/28 (landed 6, threw 28)= 21%
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The truth is, when Manny was fighting Marquez in the 2nd fight in 2008, Manny was using the jab but it was NOT EFFECTIVE against Marquez simply because marquez was moving his feet and head. GO LOOK AT THE FIGHT. Before you begin marveling at Manny, focus on how Marquez is responding to Manny. You'll see him moving back, keeping safe distance away from the jab as he tries to counter manny. This movement nullifies the jab because he's not stationary- there's no head available to hit with the jab. THEY ARE MOVING ALL OVER THE RING.

In contrast, when fighting Clottey, Cotto, Hatton, Diaz, Oscar, Margarito- all of these fighters stood flat footed, had no head movement, no backpedaling, poor countering skills, and was not moving in and out of Manny like Marquez did. Stationary opponents eat jabs all day. This is why Manny's recent performances stand out in fans minds so freshly because you see manny connecting those jabs. Manny was not connecting jabs at will on Marquez in the 2008 fight (because of his head and foot movement), that's why fans conveniently don't think his right hand was developed.

Manny's rhythm and timing also improved by the time he fought Marquez for the second time in March 2008. Emanuel Steward pointed that out during the fight.

It's all very clear what's going on here. Pac fans tend to glorify Manny's performance against lesser skilled boxers and disregard his less than stellar performances against the a great technical fighter like Marquez because of their lack of boxing knowledge. And by boxing knowledge I speaking to a fans' ability to analyse both fighters. Not just when they land punches but how the move around the ring and respond the activity of their opponents.

When you watch a boxing match, you have to at least watch it 4 times:

1. Watch 1 fighter to see how he's fighting
2. Watch the other fighter to see how he's responding
3. Watch the other fighter's style
4. Watch how the other fighter is responding to that style

This gives you a full view of the both fighters full potential.

Another great post with step by step details.

[straightleft]

LOL @ these ****** dumb idiot *****s. You can't see any diffirence in the words coming from their mouth. The meaning are all exactly the same, pure envy overflowing with hate and jealousy.

Pac didn't improve his skills and one dimensional.
Pac fought only shot past weight drained fighters.
Pac uses PED to beat his opponents.
Pac all fights are fixed and his opponents was paid.

Did you see the pattern here? No matter what these Lady Gaga fan boys will never give Pac any credit in his wins. Once he lost again, they will quickly jump on Pac and tell us....I told you Pac was a bum, created by media hype! Fruck these gay *****s!

[The Decision]

BUMP!!

[rambov]

This guy needs green K. Even though green k doesn't do anything. But he was right and lots of you were wrong. So here's to the TS!!

[rambov]

I still say that Manny won on saturday. Barely won.

[*Boss*]

I approve this thread.

[MrRolltide91]

this dude should make another video about manny

[madsweeney]

I still think he's improved, however, some of those improvements help a guy like JMM. Because Pac is more balanced and fights at a slower pace, he's easier to predict. His right hand was far more successful than his left hand this past Saturday. JMM just has his number and Pac fought the wrong gameplan.

[Carpe Diem]

I still think he's improved, however, some of those improvements help a guy like JMM. Because Pac is more balanced and fights at a slower pace, he's easier to predict. His right hand was far more successful than his left hand this past Saturday. JMM just has his number and Pac fought the wrong gameplan.

He still had plenty of times to changed up his strategies in between rounds.