Roy Jones didn't make history! Bob Fitsimmonz record remains unbroken!

[Mike Tyson Jr.]

Bob Fitsimmonz was the first fighter to go from middleweight champion to heavyweight champion in history...

Then Billy Conn fought Joe Louis at 169...and almost managed to beat the greatest HW of all time...

RJJ moved up in weight...instead of being forced to fight ONE champion, he got to choose between 4 of them....

He chose the biggest bum...

If there was always 4 champions in each weight class this record would've been broken over 70 years ago.

thats true-if he wanted to
make history he should have
fought lennox lewis who was
seen as the real champ at the
time instead of facing Ruiz who
is a bum.

[Dirt E Gomez]

What about when Billy Conn fought Joe Louis.....certainly beter than Lennox Lewis...

He weighed in at 169 and didn't act like a little *****...

Once again, while Joe Louis might be much more talented as a fighter... Lennox was more physically gifted. Lewis would defeat most heavyweight champions of the past based on size alone. You can't expect RJJ to defeat him, or any light heavyweight for that matter. Bill Conn or Bobby, both would get their asses thuroughly handed to them.

[kmac]

You cant take credit away from Jones who dominated a legit top 5 heavyweight for 12 rounds.
Fitzsimmons was losing the fight until he landed his blow to the solar plexus of Corbett

[Yogi]

bob fitsimmonz did that when boxing was in its infant stages..it means nothing

That's a load of crap!

Boxing has been around as an organized sport since about 650-700 B.C. when it was first introduced as an Olympic sport in Greece. There's also some evidence pertaining to some drawings that were found in Ethiopia that depict the sport, and those drawings were judged to be from around 4000 B.C.

You do the math!

In yours words and being consistent with the ratio, that's like saying that a 60 year-old man was still an "infant" in his 59th year of existence.

[Knicksman20]

Alot of people try to discredit Jones victory over Ruiz. If it were that easy than Tarver should be able to do it, Jeff Lacy, Joe Calphony, Hopkins, Taylor, & Winky should too. Jones has always been judged by a different standard than most boxers because of what? He's one of the greatest & one of the most gifted fighters to step into the ring whether haters or so called boxing analyst want to admit or not.

[Yogi]

He weighed in around 240-260 for most of his fights. Louis would simply be too light and too short for him despite the fact that he's much more talented.

Then you must think that Louis would've also been be "too light and too short" for the likes of Primo Carnera, Abe Simon, and Buddy Baer, yes? Afterall, those fighter were very, very comparable in size to what Lennox Lewis was.

If Lennox was to defeat the Brown Bomber, it certainly wouldn't be because he was simply too big for Joe.

[Dirt E Gomez]

Then you must think that Louis would've also been be "too light and too short" for the likes of Primo Carnera, Abe Simon, and Buddy Baer, yes? Afterall, those fighter were very, very comparable in size to what Lennox Lewis was.

If Lennox was to defeat the Brown Bomber, it certainly wouldn't be because he was simply too big for Joe.

The average boxer now as opposed to 50 years ago is a huge difference. Training/Diet habbits are lightyears ahead of what they were in the past. Granted Joe Louis is one of the best heavyweights considering how good he was for his period, but a lot of modern heavyweights have a good chance of beating him.

Also, it's tough to compare Primo and Simon to Lennox. While their size was similar, Lennox had much more muscle mass and was 2x the skilled boxer they were.

[Yogi]

The average boxer now as opposed to 50 years ago is a huge difference. Training/Diet habbits are lightyears ahead of what they were in the past.

And where's the proof that these so-called modern training techniques have helped out the modern fighters so much (and besides steroid use not much has changed today as the fighters of today still run, spar, jump rope, work the bag, etc., etc...just like the old-timers did) ?

And if they were "lightyears ahead of what they were in the past" why do we see so many modern fighters sucking wind so early in their fights?

[Dirt E Gomez]

And where's the proof that these so-called modern training techniques have helped out the modern fighters so much (and besides steroid use not much has changed today as the fighters of today still run, spar, jump rope, work the bag, etc., etc...just like the old-timers did) ?

And if they were "lightyears ahead of what they were in the past" why do we see so many modern fighters sucking wind so early in their fights?

Because there's still a lot of modern fighters who are bums, regardless of training habbits and diet. Bums with the right training and such are still bums. Heart/Desire and training are needed to become great. Have to have both. I'm refering more to diet than training, even though people can now excersize target areas much better and have more equipment to help them along the way.

[Yogi]

Because there's still a lot of modern fighters who are bums, regardless of training habbits and diet. Bums with the right training and such are still bums. Heart/Desire and training are needed to become great. Have to have both. I'm refering more to diet than training, even though people can now excersize target areas much better and have more equipment to help them along the way.

There's different opinions of Oscar De La Hoya's worth as a fighter, but I don't believe I've ever heard him being called a "bum" (atleast not by anyone with a clue). And as one of the more accomplished/financially successful boxers of this generation, I would imagine he has access to whatever modern training techniques/supplemets that he'd want. Nobody can question his "heart/desire" yet as I type this I seem to recall quite a few instances throughout his career when he's sucking wind at about the halfway point of a twelve round fight.

Could you imagine De La Hoya (or any modern day fighter, for that matter) partaking in a 40 round fight, when the two fighters combined to average nearly 100 punches per round? Battling Nelson and Ad Wolgast did that in their infamous and great fight from so long ago, so one doesn't need to only imagine some old-timers going through something like that.