A prime Oscar De La Hoya would have beat Manny Pacquiao

[Gina Ros]

Jimi Hendrix > Eric Clapton, pare

[Ryannn]

Jimi Hendrix > Eric Clapton, pare

go eat a ****....

[fabie]

ODLH is a damn fool who thought he had 1 more in him. Besides if he made the fight at 154, he would get criticized for this and he knows it.

Did he underestimate Pacquiao? Yes.
Was he a damn idiot for requesting 147? Yes.

Doesn't change the fact that Oscar was weight drained. Was it Pacquiao's fault? Of course not.

Thank you for the fairest response in this thread thus far....at least you can move up the year of pacquiao "ducking" to 2008.

But to be "fairer" Pacquiao gained weight from 140 to 147 also it isn't like it is an "unfair" fight. ODLH requested and Pacquiao gladly fought him. Just because Pac annihilated him doesn't mean that this should be against Pacquiao as if what he did was wrong.

The only fights I "disagreed" with was with Clottey and Margarito but they are no means "chicken feeds" most specially for Pacquiao's size. And despite of the vast handicapping on a small man going up, the severe beating Pac gave them made it like Pacquiao did something wrong again.

I don't like the current MOSLEY as the "leading candidate" for the April 16 fight. I wanted him to fight Mayweather, Martinez, Marquez, Berto and perhaps the winner of Bradley/Alexander.

Then retire.

[puga]

sure , if it makes you feel better about a fanatsy win , then sure !......but here is a fact: ....pac already beat hoya, no ifs no buts, no fantasy, just pure fact!

[King Koopa]

Prime vs Prime...it would be a classic, would definitely be close IMO, but I'd give the edge to Oscar. 116-112 Decision range.

Would be a great fight.

[Cafe]

De La Hoya will lose rounds, but the judges will give him the fight anyway in a split descion.

[miron_lang]

If the name somewhat rings a bell then they wudda cudda shudda beat Manny


Ray Mancini
Levinston Brumble
Oba Carr
Arturo Gatti
Jessie James Leija
Freddie Norwood
Derrick Gainer
In Jin Chi
Scott Harrison



all of them Cudda WUdda Shudda beat Manny

[badass316]

I have never looked into it. Which fights did Oscar have at catchweight. I think Hopkins was. What were the others?

I think Manny has such a bad reputation with catchweights because the catchweights he demands are so major that they greatly effect the outcome of the fight.

Greatly affect the outcome of the fights?

If my memory serves, I believe Pacquiao has only been in 2 catch weight fights. And neither were as detrimental to his opponents as you're claiming them to be. Let's take a look shall we.

Miguel Cotto - 145; Cotto in his last fight came in at 146 against Clottey. So how exactly was making cotto come in 1 pound lighter than what he came in his last fight "greatly affecting" the outcome of his fight with Pacquiao? If the catch weight was 142 or 143, then I'd agree with you. However since it wasn't I'd have to disagree with it "greatly affecting" the outcome of the fight.

Margaritto - 150; Margaritto has fought the majority of his career at 147. So in essence he's a career 147 pounder, albeit a big welterweight. If anything letting him fight at 150 is actually an advantage to him, rather than a deterrence. I believe the only reason why his last fight before Pacquiao was even at 154 was because he was inactive for so long. So again, the notion that the catch weight "greatly affected" the outcome of the fight is farce.

Even fights that don't happen, the catchweights he asks are ridiculous. He wanted Shane to make 143.

Whoa, can I get a link to where Pacquiao himself stated that he specifically wanted Mosley at 143. From what I remember, the idea of him fighting mosley wasn't even entertained at the time since Cotto was pretty much lined up as his next opponent.

To call him the catchweight king may not be fair, but you cannot deny that he has a good few names on his resume of guys who were out of their element from having to make really low weights. Morales coming in at 130, Oscar at 147, Margarito at 150, etc...

He is the "weight drain" king if anything.

Morales at 130? You have got to be kidding me. How was fighting Erik at 130 draining him? I didn't know that Erik fought at 135 or 140. I saw no issues in their 1st, 2nd, or even 3rd fight that Morales had trouble with the weight. In the second fight he was doing well, until he was broken down late. In the third fight, where he had 10 full months in between fights, he came in at 129. Why would a guy struggling to make 130 come in at 129? Does it make sense to you?

Oscar at 147? Oscar wanted the fight at 147. I love how people spin this Oscar matter as if Oscar was the one at a disadvantage in the situation when he wasn't the one being forced to move up 2 full weight classes (12 pounds) for the fight. I also don't understand how people (mostly floyd fans and manny haters it seems) get the idea that Oscar was weight drained for the fight when he himself came in at 145. 145, TWO pounds under 147. Why would anyone in the right mind whose struggling to make 147 come in two pounds lighter. I mean, unless Oscar put a big bet on Manny to win and was purposely trying to lose, I really don't see the reason to come in 2 pounds under 147. Oh and the public as well as the book keepers in Vegas happened to favor Oscar that night against the much smaller guy by making him an almost 3-1 favorite. 3-1 pretty much means he was supposed to win that fight.

I already explained Margaritto's case above, so I'm not gonna regurgitate the same thing.

I think you're pretty much grasping at straws to try and discredit one man's accomplishments. I have no problems if you don't like the guy, just don't make up a bunch of BS to try and discredit his great body of work. Although in the end his detractors will pretty much be left crying for more as he'll undoubtedly go down extremely high as far as ATG's are concerned.

[LoadedWraps]

Yes!!
a million times yes DLH would own Pac in his younger days.
Pac beat him fair and square when he did, but DLH was old even when he fought Bumweather.
The only reason DLH was favorite was (cause its DLH duh) and cause there are more Pac haters and more true boxing fans in boxing than Pac nuthuggers. *******s surfaced later on with more strength.

[AFighter4U]

Seriously Oscar in his prime at 147 in his 20's man he was a beast. Manny wouldnt be able to deal with all his combonations the best combonation puncher of this generation.

Could'a, should'a, would'a.

A decent writer can make it look like Pac couldn't beat hello kitty if his life depended on it.

You are of course entitled to your opinion, but this thread is more appropriate in the fantasy fights section.

Besides. We still aren't sure if Pac has reached his Prime yet, so there really isn't a proper gauge to predict how they'd fare against each other at their primes. And we haven't even decided what weight they're fighting at.