A prime Oscar De La Hoya would have beat Manny Pacquiao

[fabie]

I disagree. Pacquiao was as prime that night as he ever was, before or after. He hasn't gotten better or worse since that night.

DLH on the other hand was in the worst shape of his life.

To the contrary sir. DLH even claimed he is in his best physical condition ever, whereas Pacquiao is just beginning to learn his new tricks.

You can think that he is in his prime but unfortunately for Pacquiao haters, he will conquer more.

[CarlosG815]

Fun fact,

both Oscar and Pac have the same amount of catch-weight....YIKES!!!!!!!!!

I have never looked into it. Which fights did Oscar have at catchweight. I think Hopkins was. What were the others?

I think Manny has such a bad reputation with catchweights because the catchweights he demands are so major that they greatly effect the outcome of the fight.

Even fights that don't happen, the catchweights he asks are ridiculous. He wanted Shane to make 143.

To call him the catchweight king may not be fair, but you cannot deny that he has a good few names on his resume of guys who were out of their element from having to make really low weights. Morales coming in at 130, Oscar at 147, Margarito at 150, etc...

He is the "weight drain" king if anything.

[Las Vegas,]

To the contrary sir. DLH even claimed he is in his best physical condition ever, whereas Pacquiao is just beginning to learn his new tricks.

You can think that he is in his prime but unfortunately for Pacquiao haters, he will conquer more.

Hmm, can you explain to me how a guy who hasn't made 147 since 2000 somehow is in tip top physical condition? His last 8 or 9 fights, 2 at MW and 7 or 8 at 154. Comon now Fabie, you know better. You know Oscar is a promoter.

[CarlosG815]

To the contrary sir. DLH even claimed he is in his best physical condition ever, whereas Pacquiao is just beginning to learn his new tricks.

You can think that he is in his prime but unfortunately for Pacquiao haters, he will conquer more.

LOL, what do you want him to say going into the fight? "I haven't weighed this much in 10 years, I'm killing myself to make weight, and I look like a zombie because I haven't eaten in 3 days. I'm probably going to die in the ring."

Give me a break.

And I don't hate Pacquiao, I am very open minded and give him credit where it's due, I just call it like I see it, and Oscar is just better than Manny prime for prime, and if you believe that the fight would have been the same vs a prime WW DLH then you are probably a *******.

And what are these "new tricks?"

"Manilla Ice?" Roach was bragging about that being his new trick going into the second Marquez fight and in that fight Marquez schooled him worse than the first time, and he wasn't even able to land that right hand effectively.

Where the hell did you go to school? Do you even watch the fights????

[CarlosG815]

Hmm, can you explain to me how a guy who hasn't made 147 since 2000 somehow is in tip top physical condition? His last 8 or 9 fights, 2 at MW and 7 or 8 at 154. Comon now Fabie, you know better. You know Oscar is a promoter.

He walked around at 170+ and was retired...

[jrosales13]

I have never looked into it. Which fights did Oscar have at catchweight. I think Hopkins was. What were the others?

I think Manny has such a bad reputation with catchweights because the catchweights he demands are so major that they greatly effect the outcome of the fight.

Even fights that don't happen, the catchweights he asks are ridiculous. He wanted Shane to make 143.

To call him the catchweight king may not be fair, but you cannot deny that he has a good few names on his resume of guys who were out of their element from having to make really low weights. Morales coming in at 130, Oscar at 147, Margarito at 150, etc...

He is the "weight drain" king if anything.

The Forbes fight was at 150 catch-weight.

I give you Morales.

But, I can't give you Oscar. Is not like Pac demanded Oscar to fight at 147. Nobody, and I mean nobody not Pac, not Floyd not , Whitaker, Not JCC, not Hopkins nobody dictated to Oscar. You fought on Oscar terms. Pac didn't weight drain him. Oscar played himself and weight drained himself.

I think Marg could be argued if drained or not. From what I heard from his camp before the fight and other reliable sources is that he wasn't drained. But, again I think is arguable. It was still a bullshit fight though. It should of never happen. I don't even count Pac an 8 division title holder is just bogus.

For me Bernard Hopkins will always be the catch-weight king. He is like what 3-0 at catch-weight fights.

[jrosales13]

Did Pacquiao fight Sergio Martinez at 158 like Oscar fought Bernard at 158?

Did Oscar fight Martinez at 154 or did he ask the WBC to take Martinez off his mandatory so he won't face him?

[CarlosG815]

The Forbes fight was at 150 catch-weight.

I give you Morales.

But, I can't give you Oscar. Is not like Pac demanded Oscar to fight at 147. Nobody, and I mean nobody not Pac, not Floyd not , Whitaker, Not JCC, not Hopkins nobody dictated to Oscar. You fought on Oscar terms. Pac didn't weight drain him. Oscar played himself and weight drained himself.

I think Marg could be argued if drained or not. From what I heard from his camp before the fight and other reliable sources is that he wasn't drained. But, again I think is arguable. It was still a bullshit fight though. It should of never happen. I don't even count Pac an 8 division title holder is just bogus.

For me Bernard Hopkins will always be the catch-weight king. He is like what 3-0 at catch-weight fights.

Pac never "demands" it. Oscar wanted the fight and if he wanted it he had to come down to 147 which is fair. I don't blame Pac for that. Oscar thought he had one more fight in him, but I think once he got in the ring he just could not compete, and I believe many fighters would have messed him up bad that night. Imagine if he was in with a fighter with dangerous 1 punch KO power. In all honesty I believe the fight should have never happened. Oscar had no business fighting at 147. Not saying it's Pac's fault.

We do know that Pacquiao had no trouble making 135, yet he knew Morales couldn't make 130, so he wanted the fight at 135. If you can make 135 and have a more competitive fight, why tell the other guy he has to make 130?

I'm not sure about Bernard. I never pay much attention to catchweights unless they are worth talking about. Like Martinez Pac at 150 wouldn't be a big deal to me, Marg vs Pac wasn't a big deal, because both guys could do it. It's when one guy can't do it and they say "make it or no fight" that gets me upset. Especially when fighters need each other.

A lot of guys do need Manny to make serious money and he knows it, so the fights happen.

Catchweights should be used to level the playing field, not give another guy a huge advantage.

[victorythagr8]

oscar is a legend ,duckqiao is the catch weight king.

de la hoya didn't need arum to cherry pick damaged goods for him.

and he didn't wait for fighters to come from a massive loss to fight them.

the **** Oscar has just as much catchweight as pacquaio.

And the funny thing is that Oscar cherry picked pacquaio over margarito and thought that making a career featherweight who only have one fight over 130 jump 2 weight class to fight him and think it was an easy win for him.

Marquez vs Pacquaio at 140 is a bull**** fight. marquez has proven against floyd that he couldnt carry his speed.


Really who outside of Floyd at 140 and 147 that is even a threat to pacquaio. Berto has fought nothing but bums and had a gift win with collazo. Dude is greatly unproven and nowhere near his prime because he has fought nobody.

The 140 weight class is filled with nothing but hypejobs who would all lose to margarito, cotto, and clottey. The only fight that matters is Pacquaio vs Floyd because nobody at 140-147 are even in their level and people bringing up Sergio Martinez(who fights 2 weight class above both of them) can even barely make 154 and people mention them two need to go above their physical limitation to fight ****ing sergio martinez. That alone show that many people know Pacquaio and Floyd have noone else to fight without any criticism and the only other fighter that they can take which would be a guarteed lost to both of them due to size difference is sergio martinez.

Again who at 140 are even in their prime.

[jrosales13]

Pac never "demands" it. Oscar wanted the fight and if he wanted it he had to come down to 147 which is fair. I don't blame Pac for that. Oscar thought he had one more fight in him, but I think once he got in the ring he just could not compete, and I believe many fighters would have messed him up bad that night. Imagine if he was in with a fighter with dangerous 1 punch KO power. In all honesty I believe the fight should have never happened. Oscar had no business fighting at 147. Not saying it's Pac's fault.

We do know that Pacquiao had no trouble making 135, yet he knew Morales couldn't make 130, so he wanted the fight at 135. If you can make 135 and have a more competitive fight, why tell the other guy he has to make 130?

I'm not sure about Bernard. I never pay much attention to catchweights unless they are worth talking about. Like Martinez Pac at 150 wouldn't be a big deal to me, Marg vs Pac wasn't a big deal, because both guys could do it. It's when one guy can't do it and they say "make it or no fight" that gets me upset. Especially when fighters need each other.

A lot of guys do need Manny to make serious money and he knows it, so the fights happen.

Catchweights should be used to level the playing field, not give another guy a huge advantage.

Oscar should of just fought Margarito. But, he wanted to be a cherry picker and pick on a LW who only had 1 fight at 135. He played himself.

I have no sympathy for the man.