Re-watched fight: New Analysis on Ortiz/Peterson

[Rome-By-Ko]

The first time I watch a fight, I don't really score it. I', usually watching as a fan and not as a judge or an analyst.

The first time I watched it, I was looking at Ortiz the same as everyone else was, which was as a future golden boy of boxing. Future superstar/champion. An underestimated top fighter in the division that all he needs is a chance to prove it and he will show that he is elite.

And becuz of that, I judged him harshly. Now I did take into mind the idea of him being weight drained, and him needing a new trainer. But still, he looked horrible.

But just now, I re-watched the fight thinking that he is being overrated. Thinking that he isn't a future golden boy of boxing. Isn't a future star/champion. Basically I looked at him as an ordinary boxer with some skills and a lot of power.

When I looked at him as nothing special, the fight was a lot better, and he looked a lot better.

I also got to see the reason behind a lot of the bad stuff Ortiz was doing and I came to these conclusion.

First thing: Lamont Peterson didn't look as good to me as I remember. He was doing a lot of running, a lot of holding, and a lot of holding and hitting (illegal).

When I realized how much of that Lamont was doing, i realized why Ortiz would keep distance from time to time. A lot of people were saying it was becuz he was afraid, but it seemed more that he was just tired of the running, clinching, and the illegal cheap shots during the clinches. These moments were most prominent in 3 of the rounds I gave to Lamont (6-8). It seemed like the frustration of that was what kept Ortiz on the outside, which was the prominent reason Peterson was having success. My final score was 96 - 94. I had 1 round even (round 9).

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not just trying to make excuses for Ortiz. He still looked bad considering what level he's suppose to be at. I still say he definitely needs a new trainer that can teach him different strategies for different kinds of opponents. And I still say he should consider moving up (though not as much as I did yesterday).

The biggest thing about it though is that everyone wants to go all in with these young fighters. At 23, people ask too much from Ortiz and Alexander. Amir was able to pull it off, but clearly he's a special kind of fighter. Ortiz shows signs of being exceptional, but we'll just have to give him time. The fact that we put so much stock with him just makes it so much worse when he doesn't deliver. From now on, I'm going to look at him as a young prospect that isn't ready for the spot light.

I totally disagree with this,Ortiz should learn how to in fight..If you are in a clinch and the ref tells you to punch out(which he did and what Cortez should have let Maidana and Khan do)then you punch out..If Ortiz can't in fight as big as he was that's his own problem/flaw..Peterson gave Ortiz a boxing lesson period no need to try to make any excuses for him..I had it a draw just like the judges,that means in rds he lost the fight and I agree without the knockdowns he would have lost the fight..BTW:Ortiz rock and hurt Peterson why not run in there and overwhelm Peterson??I don't by that weight drain stuff dude was in the ring as a middleweight...He also was 141lb Officially come on man..

[G Doggy Dog]

That's 10 pounds of water weight. I've said in the past, water weight doesn't make as much a difference as everyone thinks.

reply: R u saying u know more than Roy Jones?

No I'm not saying that, I'm just saying from my experience, the whole being X amount of pounds heavier than ur opponent doesn't mean u'll be the bigger stronger more powerful guy. I'm talkin from experience. It may help a little, but not always.

The fact that many, including me thought he should win easy is precisely why everyone is disappointed in his performance when really it wasn't that bad. He did what he could do to the best of his ability. He gets a new trainer, he'll get some new abilities

lmfao so hes the same size at peterson but he for some reason carries around 10 extra pounds of water? LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!

[Rome-By-Ko]

Ortiz gameplan should have been to use his size advantage to overwhelm Peterson,after the knockdown it looked like that was what he wanted to do..But Peterson started landing big shots and Ortiz was discourage to attack,I said it before I'll say it again Maidana ruined Ortiz..

[Rome-By-Ko]

Ortiz is very good and when you see him fight it looks like he's got all the tools to be a great fighter...and as long as he can dominate the fight he's a beast. BUT When it gets tough in there and his opponent isn't going anywhere his confident is nowhere to be found. I just don't think he's mentally strong. Ortiz is lucky that Peterson isn't a big puncher or else he would've been KO'd in that fight.

Ortiz is the 140LB version of Allan Green.

LMFAO,this was too funny damn I don't think Ortiz is that bad...LOL

[JDezi4]

Ortiz had a BIG weight advantage and his punches were heavier than Peterson's were, he had to run to avoid a ko loss. I fel a lot of people wrote Peterson off after the Bradley loss and especially after his brother lost, it was like people had the two guys confused. I saw a bunch of Peterson is a scrub commenting and that Ortiz would blow him out of the water. I knew Peterson was very good and, to me, it was more of an insult to Bradley's abilities. He dusted Peterson for 90 percent of the fight and outclassed him and I guess people thought Peterson was a bum after that and Bradley was just an average fighter who beat a crappy fighter.

Bradley is gonna do the same thing to Alexander in January...point is: Peterson is a great fighter, so is Ortiz, Bradley is on another level.

Lol, can u tell me when that 10% of the fight Peterson wasn't getting schooled was?

[JDezi4]

lmfao so hes the same size at peterson but he for some reason carries around 10 extra pounds of water? LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!

Lmao, 10 pounds of WATER WEIGHT. Muscle mass, they weigh about the same. Ortiz has a wider bone structure, that's why he's able to take in more water, but they weigh about the same. Do u really think WATER will make u stronger or more powerful?

Look it up, it's scientific fact. Lmao, there's a lot the general public thinks they know that they really know nothing about. This is an example of that

[JDezi4]

I totally disagree with this,Ortiz should learn how to in fight..If you are in a clinch and the ref tells you to punch out(which he did and what Cortez should have let Maidana and Khan do)then you punch out..If Ortiz can't in fight as big as he was that's his own problem/flaw..Peterson gave Ortiz a boxing lesson period no need to try to make any excuses for him..I had it a draw just like the judges,that means in rds he lost the fight and I agree without the knockdowns he would have lost the fight..BTW:Ortiz rock and hurt Peterson why not run in there and overwhelm Peterson??I don't by that weight drain stuff dude was in the ring as a middleweight...He also was 141lb Officially come on man..

The only reason u had it a draw is becuz u had to have been looking for reasons to give rounds to Peterson. I had it 96-94. I had round 9 even, give it to Ortiz, it's 96-93, give it to Peterson it's 95-93. That's the most common scorecard I've seen.

Like it says up top, most of the punches Peterson landed were in the clinches. He did a lot of holding, and aside from round 8 or 7, Peterson he never dominated, or outboxed Ortiz.

[Rome-By-Ko]

The only reason u had it a draw is becuz u had to have been looking for reasons to give rounds to Peterson. I had it 96-94. I had round 9 even, give it to Ortiz, it's 96-93, give it to Peterson it's 95-93. That's the most common scorecard I've seen.

Like it says up top, most of the punches Peterson landed were in the clinches. He did a lot of holding, and aside from round 8 or 7, Peterson he never dominated, or outboxed Ortiz.

Never said Peterson dominated Ortiz,but he did when the fight aside of the knockdowns which made it a draw..I was not looking for anything too give either fighter,but I watch it with no stake in either fighter and I scored it a draw..Ortiz did not do enough imo and without the knockdown I would have scored it for Peterson..The holding had to be done based on Ortiz's size advantage..Overall Ortiz was exposed imo..

[Rome-By-Ko]

Lol, can u tell me when that 10% of the fight Peterson wasn't getting schooled was?

When Peterson started to in fight with Bradley he was very effective,and he hurt Bradley to the body after being knockdown..The difference between what Bradley did and what Ortiz did was the way he attack..Ortiz after he knock Peterson down he did not push forward he fell back and was not pushing forward anymore..Why I have no clue..But I would blame it on the ghost of Maidana's Past..Bradley also makes adjustments in a fight while Ortiz does not..Peterson did not have a bad showing vs Bradley but he was clearly beating..TBH he had a better showing then Holt and Holt put Bradley down twice..

[Phenom]

people really need to rewatch the fight and put the Ortiz hate to the side Lamont wasnt doing **** and was on the defensive most of the fight he took a page from Mora playbook and was fighting scared after almost getting KO'd