Re-watched fight: New Analysis on Ortiz/Peterson

[gauze]

after watching the replay of this fight, i'm cool with the draw.

[Rome-By-Ko]

On ur card, and on ur card alone lol. Maidana won the 5th, and arguably the 1st. How could u possibly have scored it even considering the knockdowns? Unless u scored the 6th, but why would u?



If he'd have gained something around what Peterson gained 8 or 9 pounds, that's average. But the fact he gained about 15 pounds shows his body was seriously starving for nutrition. If a guy was stranded in the dessert for 2 days, was rescued and given a full meal, would u expect him to be able to box 10 rounds? Ur reason for thinking he wasn't weight drained is simply incorrect. Unless of course by weight drain, u think De La Hoya/Pacquiao.

That said, it's water weight anyway. It's not gonna add to his strength and power.

Lol, but I bet that means nothing to u cuz I already know u can't explain nutrition to boxing fans. They either don't believe u or don't want to admit it.



I won't admit it. If u knew boxing a little better u'd know that when the referee says "Punch out" that means break the clinch with ur punches (taking into mind the referee never said "punch out"). That was illegal holding and hitting. U can't hold/immobilize ur opponent and hit him with the other hand. And what ur thinking is the referee wasn't breaking them up while Lamont held and hit, which is not true. Lamont was just lucky the referee didn't catch it as well as the camera's did to give him a hard warning. If that was his gameplan, than it was brilliant, but it was dirty.

That being said, Ortiz still won the fight lol. The illegal holding and hitting kept Ortiz on the outside for rounds 6, 7, 8, and somewhat in round 9 (I scored that even). Other than those rounds, Peterson didn't outbox Ortiz at all. U could give him the second, cuz the only thing outstanding that happened in that round was a few right hands to Ortiz's side during the clinch. Ortiz won every other round quite handily, Plus got 2 knockdowns. Not a draw.

Oh boy you are delusional..Sad really,ok will continue this when Ortiz moves up to 147lb..I wonder what ya excuse for why he gets his ass beat up there??I bet it's because he took the water weight up with him..Are even better because someone was holding and hitting..LOL ok..BTW:I gave rds 4,5,6(Before Ortiz was stopped of course)to Maidana which he deserved..Ortiz I gave rds 1,2,3(and he narrowly won rd 1 **** I was tempted to call that rd even)

[Uturn]

Ottiz looked incredible in the first 3 rounds, pulling off some great shots, with angles. Seems to me Ortiz crumbles in the latter stages - Maidana is a good example. I think Ortiz needs another couple of tune-up fights yet before stepping up to the big time. If he steps up to early he will only make a hawl of it again. A new trainer would be an option, as Ortiz looks out of idea's as the fight goes deeper into the second half of the fight.

[JDezi4]

Oh boy you are delusional..Sad really,ok will continue this when Ortiz moves up to 147lb..I wonder what ya excuse for why he gets his ass beat up there??I bet it's because he took the water weight up with him..Are even better because someone was holding and hitting..LOL ok..BTW:I gave rds 4,5,6(Before Ortiz was stopped of course)to Maidana which he deserved..Ortiz I gave rds 1,2,3(and he narrowly won rd 1 **** I was tempted to call that rd even)

Based off that, than u clearly don't know how to score fights, so now I feel even more confident about my scorecard. U scored the 6th?

Anyway, let me add ur scorecard up for u:
Ortiz: 10+10+10+9+9+8 = 56
Maidana: 9+7+9+10+10+10 = 55
So explain to me how you had a draw? lol

This is taking into mind I don't think anyone else scored the 6th, and no one else gave Maidana round 4. Do that math and see what score u get for each guy.

[loui_ludwig]

Lamont was doing a lot of running, holding, and holding and hitting. His jab wasn't even really that effective. Every time Ortiz chose to bum rush him, his jab did nothing to prevent that. The reason Ortiz would keep his distance periodically was becuz Lamont would hold on the inside, and would illegally hit during the clinches.

Weight drained or not, the above did happen.

People miss all that becuz they don't care to analyze all the little things. They just wanna harshly judge. Most don't even bother to watch the fight again to make sure they're first idea was right.

I watched the fight live in Mandalay Bay and the replay in HBO. Lamont's jab might not be effective in terms of hurting but it did bother Ortiz. Lamont was landing the cleaner punches in the later rounds. Ortiz was effective the first 3-4 rounds but Lamont got some rhytm going on and Ortiz seems puzzled by that. If you can see in the later rounds, Ortiz seems figuring out on how to attack Lamont. Ortiz was effective when he was attacking but he didn't do that enough in the 2nd half of the fight. When Ortiz was going forward, he didn't do anything and get countered or hit by a jab. He went backward and Lamont was following him and throwing jab.

As far as as holding and clinches, it might be illegal but how many times we seen that in other fights. Its the referre who should warn then deduct a point from a fighter. But the ref didn't do that. So for Lamont or other boxers, its either the ref is not saying ****, then i will continue doing it or it must be legal then.

As far as the skills of Ortiz, he needs to change trainer. He was just going forward, throwing a jab then follow by a punch or combos, nothing realy special. He does have some good counterpunching, he did it a couple of times against Peterson.

[JDezi4]

I watched the fight live in Mandalay Bay and the replay in HBO. Lamont's jab might not be effective in terms of hurting but it did bother Ortiz. Lamont was landing the cleaner punches in the later rounds. Ortiz was effective the first 3-4 rounds but Lamont got some rhytm going on and Ortiz seems puzzled by that. If you can see in the later rounds, Ortiz seems figuring out on how to attack Lamont. Ortiz was effective when he was attacking but he didn't do that enough in the 2nd half of the fight. When Ortiz was going forward, he didn't do anything and get countered or hit by a jab. He went backward and Lamont was following him and throwing jab.

As far as as holding and clinches, it might be illegal but how many times we seen that in other fights. Its the referre who should warn then deduct a point from a fighter. But the ref didn't do that. So for Lamont or other boxers, its either the ref is not saying ****, then i will continue doing it or it must be legal then.

As far as the skills of Ortiz, he needs to change trainer. He was just going forward, throwing a jab then follow by a punch or combos, nothing realy special. He does have some good counterpunching, he did it a couple of times against Peterson.

I gave Ortiz rounds 1, 3, 4, 5, 9, and 10. (I scored 9 as even, it doesn't matter who u give 9 to, Ortiz still wins on my card). Would u say that was crazy scoring on my part?

I'm not blaming Lamont for doing the illegal bit, I'm just pointing it out. Most people think Ortiz backed off and stayed on the outside becuz he afraid to get hit. It looked more to me like he was staying on the outside in order to avoid being clinched, and hit during the clinches, possibly to try and put Lamont on the offensive so he can counter. As everyone saw in the fight, Ortiz is not skilled enough to counter Lamont on the outside, and that's why he started getting outboxed. But that didn't really start until about round 6, and was only really effective up to round 8. Round 9 was when the action died drastically, and I called that round even. And like I said, it didn't matter who u gave that round to, Ortiz still should have won. Round 10 went to Ortiz cuz he was forcing the fight and outlanding Lamont all the way up until there was about 20 seconds left.

That's what I saw... And since most of the scorings I've seen had around the same score as mine for Ortiz, that must be what most other people saw as well

[fallen9182]

Re-Watched the fight earlier today and scored it as unbiased as possible

had it 95-95, with one or two rounds scored 10-10

[Rome-By-Ko]

Based off that, than u clearly don't know how to score fights, so now I feel even more confident about my scorecard. U scored the 6th?

Anyway, let me add ur scorecard up for u:
Ortiz: 10+10+10+9+9+8 = 56
Maidana: 9+7+9+10+10+10 = 55
So explain to me how you had a draw? lol

This is taking into mind I don't think anyone else scored the 6th, and no one else gave Maidana round 4. Do that math and see what score u get for each guy.

Damn everybody on your thread is saying the fight was a draw when they watch it back son get a grip..As for you saying nobody scored the rd in wich Ortiz was stopped in,then why did ring side scores score the Froch Taylor fight??You give a score cause the way the rd was going before the fight was stopped..They showed the final scores in the Froch and Taylor fight and Taylor would have won by a rd..Anyway just get ya excuses ready for Ortiz next fight unless he fights some bum,or a lightweight or something..I can't wait to hear what it's gonna be this time..Oh yea just want to make sure you think Ortiz was dominating Maidana before he was stopped right??LMFAO..

[Rome-By-Ko]

I gave Ortiz rounds 1, 3, 4, 5, 9, and 10. (I scored 9 as even, it doesn't matter who u give 9 to, Ortiz still wins on my card). Would u say that was crazy scoring on my part?

I'm not blaming Lamont for doing the illegal bit, I'm just pointing it out. Most people think Ortiz backed off and stayed on the outside becuz he afraid to get hit. It looked more to me like he was staying on the outside in order to avoid being clinched, and hit during the clinches, possibly to try and put Lamont on the offensive so he can counter. As everyone saw in the fight, Ortiz is not skilled enough to counter Lamont on the outside, and that's why he started getting outboxed. But that didn't really start until about round 6, and was only really effective up to round 8. Round 9 was when the action died drastically, and I called that round even. And like I said, it didn't matter who u gave that round to, Ortiz still should have won. Round 10 went to Ortiz cuz he was forcing the fight and outlanding Lamont all the way up until there was about 20 seconds left.

That's what I saw... And since most of the scorings I've seen had around the same score as mine for Ortiz, that must be what most other people saw as well

So you mean to tell me that a guy who out weighed his opponent by 10lbs was not coming forward for fear of being clinch??This does not make sense that should have been his game plan..To clinch and wear Peterson down with inside body shots..I can't believe anybody can make an excuse for a guy who was the bigger puncher and weighed 10lbs over his opponents weight..

[JDezi4]

Damn everybody on your thread is saying the fight was a draw when they watch it back son get a grip..As for you saying nobody scored the rd in wich Ortiz was stopped in,then why did ring side scores score the Froch Taylor fight??You give a score cause the way the rd was going before the fight was stopped..They showed the final scores in the Froch and Taylor fight and Taylor would have won by a rd..Anyway just get ya excuses ready for Ortiz next fight unless he fights some bum,or a lightweight or something..I can't wait to hear what it's gonna be this time..Oh yea just want to make sure you think Ortiz was dominating Maidana before he was stopped right??LMFAO..

Lmao, the point of this thread was not to say Ortiz won. It was to point out the specifics and to tell everyone to no longer look at Ortiz like an elite boxer so as to save urself from disappointment. You'd notice that if u went to school.

I mean, why even comment anymore, u have already been proven to not know wut ur talking about. U don't know how to score fights. Scoring the 6th wasn't ur biggest mistake, ur biggest mistake was not knowing simple math. 56=55 right? Lmao

U wanna know why the judges scored the 12th in the Froch/Taylor fight? Becuz there was only 12 seconds left in the round, so why not? Hmm....