This is NOT a Mayweather hate thread...... But?

[Parodius]

I'm not trying to degrade other fighters accomplishments. I'm not a Floyd Mayweather hater. I actually love watching Floyd fight because he excellent at it!

I think what it is... Is I'm getting tired of being told how f**kin' amazing Floyd Mayweather is, and how he's SOOOO MUCH better than everyone else when his actual level of competition over the last 3yrs has been extremely poor.

In fact, if you see Parodius's quotes on this thread you'll see what I mean. Everyone says that Hatton has faced Awefull opposition etc etc... But in fact, Hattons opposition since Mayweather has been at 140lbs (3X fights) has actually been A LOT better.

But people just don't see it... Or refuse to acknoledge it... Or most of the time (Parodius), just don't know enough about the current sport and who's hot and who's not. - (I'm not talking about the belt holders, I'm talking about the guy's that hover between 5-20 best in the World).

Look idiot, I've been watching boxing for 27 years. PBF is the best boxer I've seen, he's great, if you don't see it. Then you don't know **** about boxing. You always put PBF down, then you say I'm not a PBF hater. You're full off crap. You & JuyJuy should get together & argue about Hatton & Eubank.

[Truth]

I'm not trying to degrade other fighters accomplishments. I'm not a Floyd Mayweather hater. I actually love watching Floyd fight because he excellent at it!

I think what it is... Is I'm getting tired of being told how f**kin' amazing Floyd Mayweather is, and how he's SOOOO MUCH better than everyone else when his actual level of competition over the last 3yrs has been extremely poor.

In fact, if you see Parodius's quotes on this thread you'll see what I mean. Everyone says that Hatton has faced Awefull opposition etc etc... But in fact, Hattons opposition since Mayweather has been at 140lbs (3X fights) has actually been A LOT better.

But people just don't see it... Or refuse to acknoledge it... Or most of the time (Parodius), just don't know enough about the current sport and who's hot and who's not. - (I'm not talking about the belt holders, I'm talking about the guy's that hover between 5-20 best in the World).

I think your going too far when you say extremly poor opposition. All I am saying(and I wasn't talking about you really)is that most boxing fans are overly critical of fighters career.

[Bombardier]

I'm not trying to degrade other fighters accomplishments. I'm not a Floyd Mayweather hater. I actually love watching Floyd fight because he excellent at it!

I think what it is... Is I'm getting tired of being told how f**kin' amazing Floyd Mayweather is, and how he's SOOOO MUCH better than everyone else when his actual level of competition over the last 3yrs has been extremely poor.

In fact, if you see Parodius's quotes on this thread you'll see what I mean. Everyone says that Hatton has faced Awefull opposition etc etc... But in fact, Hattons opposition since Mayweather has been at 140lbs (3X fights) has actually been A LOT better.

But people just don't see it... Or refuse to acknoledge it... Or most of the time (Parodius), just don't know enough about the current sport and who's hot and who's not. - (I'm not talking about the belt holders, I'm talking about the guy's that hover between 5-20 best in the World).

The thing is that you have to look at the whole story when you're considering Floyd's career so far at 140. His first fight is against Corley, a good choice for a first fighter at a new weight class, and definitely not an easy one. Floyd wasn't perfect in that fight but he killed considering it was his first at an unnatural weight class. Then he's plagued by injuries but is still looking to make big fights. Then Gatti goes and wins a title and suddenly the talk is all about the two of them facing off. Floyd wants the title and Gatti wants the fight so their two names get locked together. But then there are more delays, injuries, etc. Floyd needs another tune-up to get back into the swing of things and since hardly anybody ever wants to fight him he ends up with a nobody like Bruseles. Blows through him, and then blows through Gatti.

People criticize Floyd for fighting Gatti but the fact is that Arturo wanted the fight as much as he did. Now that that business is taken care of after much delay, Floyd can now focus on other fighters. Which of course brings us into the present time and the politics that are getting in the way of any half-decent matchup.

What I'm trying to say is that you can't just judge Floyd's 140lb career by focusing on his opponents and ignoring the issues surrounding the matchups.

[Martin (Top Knowledge)]

I do totally understand what you're saying.

Mayweather decided that he wanted Gatti quite a while back and has been hanging around waiting for Gatti, (hence the Bruselles fight).

He picked probably the weakest of the (belt holding) champions.

Everyone wants to have a fight with Mayweather... (When he says all this, "they're ducking me" I don't believe it for a second). Despite Mayweather not being that popular, Mayweather = $$$$$.

It just made me a little on guard with Mayweather when Gatti was his No.1 choice, and he waited for Gatti to get better in the meantime. If he'd have done a Shamba Mitchell and was waiting for Kostya Tszyu to heal, I could totally understand... But he didn't.

Well now... Floyds all talking about fighting Shamba Mitchell next. It all these actions that make me question... Is Floyd really serious about this or is he just looking for an easy way to fast track through the weight divisions?

[cvt]

You see this is the kinda response I wanted... cvt, this post is spot on, And you've actually answered a lot of the questions I've been asking myself about Floyd, RE:

How would you tie that statement up with my earlier quote?:

Do you think Floyd will pass up big fights with guys similar in statue to Kostya Tszyu because he can make more money beating a washed up American name for the tv... Or do you think Floyd will actually go for it, and take on fighters like Ricky Hatton?

i don't understand...what do you mean tie that statement?

[Parodius]

I do totally understand what you're saying.

Mayweather decided that he wanted Gatti quite a while back and has been hanging around waiting for Gatti, (hence the Bruselles fight).

He picked probably the weakest of the (belt holding) champions.

Everyone wants to have a fight with Mayweather... (When he says all this, "they're ducking me" I don't believe it for a second). Despite Mayweather not being that popular, Mayweather = $$$$$.

It just made me a little on guard with Mayweather when Gatti was his No.1 choice, and he waited for Gatti to get better in the meantime. If he'd have done a Shamba Mitchell and was waiting for Kostya Tszyu to heal, I could totally understand... But he didn't.

Well now... Floyds all talking about fighting Shamba Mitchell next. It all these actions that make me question... Is Floyd really serious about this or is he just looking for an easy way to fast track through the weight divisions?

Tszyu would've never taken the Mayweather fight. Tszyu was always asked about PBF, he always danced around the question. PBF has been ducked by many from 130 to 147, that is the fact, I don't want to name names. But anyone has followed boxing, they know.

[Sliquestylez]

The Gatti fight was lopsided for PBF - PBF was 115-10 ahead on powerpunches. PBF painted a masterpice on that fight.

PBF was 1998 Fighter of the Year . He stopped 8 of his 14 oponents in title fights. PBF was listed on ESPN 10 most domination athletes placing 5th behind Armstrong, Sorenstram, Federer and Manning.

[Sliquestylez]

PBF has been ducked by everybody. ARum does not want Cotto to fight him. Hatton pussied out twice because PBF was too skilled for that babied agoraphobic *****. Emmanual Steward said both of these guys not PBF level.

[zabkillsspinks]

I was just wondering... D'you guys not think Mayweather is being considerably over-hyped? I mean he's not yet ACTUALLY proved his greatness in the ring.

For example - In my opinion, the last time he fought someone of World class (back in 2002') many thought he lost.

Since then he's fought Victoriano Sosa, Phillip N'dou, DeMarcus Corley, Henry Bruseles, and Arturo Gatti. - None of these guys are what I would consider proper World class fighters.

Sosa - won quite a few rounds against Mayweather and did give him trouble.

N'dou - Better known as Phillip "the pudding" N'dou, IS NOT the same Lovemore Ndou that gave Mitchell/Witter/Cotto problems. Phillip N'dou is crap compared to Lovemore Ndou.

Corley - Has been called Demarcus "slop slop" Corley in the past, and he took Mayweather the distance and shook him up doing it.

Bruseles - Famous for being a Cotto sparring partner, I'd never heard of him before and don't think I'll hear of him again.

Gatti - Gatti's been a good fighter to watch over the years and been in some real wars... But with all due respect, He's not exactly a talented fighter. When he did step up in class 5yrs ago he got his arse handed to him by De La Hoya... He's had the crap kicked out of him by Ward three times since then, he's lost a load of fights, he looks a mess, was it really any suprise to any of you that Mayweather was able to run rings around him?

I've seen threads on this forum saying, "Ohh, how is anyone ever going to beat Mayweather???"... "No one all the way up to 175lbs can touch Mayweather!"

But let's be serious for a second... A lot of this is based on hype and what people think WOULD happen if Mayweather fought this or that person.

I'm just thinking maybe Mayweather's getting set up for a big fall?

Well first off your wrong on several accounts. sosa may have won like 1 round but no more than that at all. no one is really crap compared to lovemore ndou hes not that good, im not saying phillip is good either but damn come on.

colrey caught him with one good punch, and yes it put mayweather on the ropes but then did corley land anything else at all? no. why not? b/c floyd used his brillint defense to get out of the trouble he was in for a split second. he was never in any danger of going down. also corley hurt cotto much worse, not taking anything away from cotto but corley is good and mayweather destroyed him.

bruseles sucks ok ill give you that

many people thought gatti woudl beat mayweather and now of course they wont admit it since it was so onesided. you said ward kicked the crap out of gatti three times when gatti won 2 of the three decisevely, yeah he lost one which is awful but he did win the other 2 so dont say he lost all 3 of the fights. and you said hes lost a ton of fights since then when mayweather i the only one to beat him since the first ward fight. so you need to get your facts straight.

i would pick mayweather over anyone except zab judah and i wouldnt be shocked at all if he beat zab. the guys skills are amazing. mosley could possibly give him problems b/c of his power but really i see myweather making "easy work" of mosley b/c hes more accurate, faster, more skilled, and has a better defense by far. with judah his skills arent quite as good as floyds but theyre as close as anyone's can get to mayweather's, and his hand speed is actually equal to floyds and hes got devastating power at welterweight, so i think he could beat floyd. other than that floyd will beat everyone easy as hell, i mean theres no way guys like tszyu, hatton, cotto, dlh, margarito, witter, mitchell, anyone from 160 and down could not beat him and that includes wright, taylor, and hopkins. he would put on a boxing masterpiece against hopkins the size doesnt matter plu floyd really despises hopkins it seems like.

[Tha_Greatest]

p4p floyd looks good on and off paper, I think to win over the public he has to fight and beat someone of the likes a Kostya,yes even after his loss, Hatton ,cotto (not quite ready for PBF)or some to the top 5 140 lbrs

Problem is, Floyd runs his mouth saying hes gonna beat all the best ,the best only type fighters and and he always winds up fighting journeymen. He runs his mouth, all the time, saying im gon fight this guy and that guy and he does not. Arturo Gatti is a big name but like ive always said, Gatti is overated as hell, he lost 2 times to journeymen Ivan Robinson, journeymen Mickey Ward, journeymen Angel Manfredy, and the biggest name he ever fought was Oscar who is top notch at the time and Gatti fought like a girl, I would call Gatti a overated superstar journeyman. Floyd ran his mouth on Judah and Wright, like i said when people were excited thinking a superfight was on. Those fights are not gonna happen. I was correct. Instead i was insulted by being called a Floyd hater, I expect Floyd to fight a C to C+ class fighter, When Arum proposed a fight to Floyd with Margarito, Floyd denied it , Floyd says he breaks off fights due to him deserving the higher amount, that is why he should fight Margarito, Margarito fights cheaply. Bob Arum said he can set that fight up easily, yet Floyd wants nothing to do with Margarito, regardless if Floyd gets the bigger cut. I dont expect Floyd to get in a big fight or even a decent fight where he doesnt have all the advantages any time soon. His next fight will be against a journeyman.