Comments Thread For: Pacquiao's Adviser: Manny is Knocking Shane Mosley Out!

[Pogue69]

Yeah there was like almost everybody.. ESPN Rafael, Yahoo Iole, Tom Hauser, Lance Pugmire, etc.. They "kinda watch boxing" too and thought DLH was still good..But I wish you had posted here before..

True enough. These are the same people who thought Tyson had a chance against Lewis. Another time that I won serious cash.

Anyway, gotta go. Enjoyed our discussion. Thanks for keeping it civil.

[mikemurni]

Take off the Pinoy colored glasses son. We're talking about Pacquio here not Mayweather, no need to avoid the subject.

DLH was making a weight has hadn't made in like a decade and ended up weighing less than Manny. Game Over, no matter which you slice and dice it, it became a handicapped match. Great name for a resume, but in actuality, not even close to being as impressive if it were a healthy DLH and gaining weight is as damaging on the body as losing it. Thats a fact.

Hatton nearly got laid out against Juan ****in Lazcano in the his first bout after getting Ko'd by Mayweather. The chin wasn't the same. He then faced the feather-fisted Pauly Malinaggi who he beat, but had the magic man any type of power, Hatton would have been laid out. Hatton was ripe for the pickings.

Cotto beat a one legged man in Foreman and still managed to get hit in the process. Roach: Cotto needs to retire.

Cotto after being beat asulted with plaster, took on the Jeenings who had he not beat, would have defined him as a finished fighter. Against Clottey, Cotto took way more punishment then he normally would have and you can clearly see during the fight, there were times were he started to back peddle. You see him doubting himself just reminiscent of the Margarito fight. He was clearly not he same fighter he once was, even the commentators picked up on it. Cotto was ripe for the pickings.

Joshua Clottey, although ranked as top 5 WW isn't even close to being an elite level fighter. He is slow and has always been prone to take rounds off. He lays on the ropes letting his opponents whale on him wile he sits behind a shell. Never been a skillfull fighter, but easy fight for the fast moving Pacquiao. 5 -1 favorite Pacquiao.

Margarito, for real? 8 - 1 favorite Pacquiao

Mosley - ripe for the pickings....I'd go with a 5 -1 favorite Pacquiao

Too many excuses...

[SluggerFan]

Another fan who understands boxing.

I agree, SluggerFan should stick to MMA

What are you, Rainman? Slugger fan should stick to MMA, gotta stick to MMA, MMA on at 7:30pm, 7:30pm MMA, gotta stick to MMA!

Wow, dude, you need cure your Tourette's syndrome or whatever the f**k your problem is!

[p4p-champ]

Too many excuses...

These aren't excuses they are facts, and it isn't hindsight. Look at the pattern. Why isn't Pacquiao fighting Marquez at 140lbs?

[mikemurni]

These aren't excuses they are facts, and it isn't hindsight. Look at the pattern. Why isn't Pacquiao fighting Marquez at 140lbs?

Fact is you downplaying the significance of those wins...

[LeadUppercut]

If you would have read my response, watching two guys rolling around hugging each other is not entertaining to me. And again, like I said before, I am discounting Mayweather's awesome talent. My point is Mayweather said and I quote "I came out of retirement to fight the best, beat the best and be the best!" But making a catchweight fight with a 135 lber and not even making the agreed weight and then fighting Mosley then going on vacation doesn't support that statement. Being the best means you have to fight the best, fighting the best 135 lber when you weigh 146 doesn't count but I let it slide because he hadn't fought in a long time. Then fighting Mosley was a good step in the right direction. But then going on vacation? Come on, you Mayweather fans can't be happy about that. Too much free time got him in big time trouble and we may never get the big fight now....

Maybe you got me pegged wrong?

I don't care about Mayweather. I was just trying to point out that the vacationer did a better job on all common opponents, with the possible exception of Hatton, when you factor in the variables and styles.

Again, don't read too much into what I am saying, because I mostly agree with your post above, and I do see your point.

Even using the Hatton example, about which I fully agree with you......

Mayweather = pure boxer
Goal = win by UD, whilst giving the opposition no chances
Result = KO
PASS! Ahead of expectations

Pacquiao = slugger/boxer
Goal = KHTFO
Result = KHTFO
PASS! Met expectations, although in spectacular fashion

It is a fail to say that Mayweather did not do as well as Manny once you factor in the styles, and he fought an undefeated Hatton who was much more settled, albiet at 147.

I got Manny ahead in that comparison, because of the spectacular fashion in which he achieved his win, but you get my point?

[SluggerFan]

These aren't excuses they are facts, and it isn't hindsight. Look at the pattern. Why isn't Pacquiao fighting Marquez at 140lbs?

Like your boy says, it's all about money. Mosley will bring in more PPVs than JMM. Pacquiao vs. JMM II didn't even come close to a million PPVs. If it makes money, it makes sense! Just ask Floyd!

[BoxingGEN]

I'm sorry, I only had Mayweather beating Oscar 115-113. When Oscar threw the jab, he won the round, when he didn't, he lost the round. If Mayweather wanted to, he could've probably KO'd ODLH but he didn't because he likes to play it safe. He got lucky that he caught Hatton (because he wasn't trying to) or that would have went to decision as well. When a fighter won't take any risks, I get bored. I like fighters who take risks, put themselves in danger, like Holyfield, Corrales, Castillo, Barrera, Morales, the Marquez bros, Arturo Gatti, Israel Vazquez and Pacquiao. Figthers like Mayweather who refuse to take risks aren't exciting to me. He should've taken JMM out (way to small), taken Judah out (guy has no chin), taken Mosley out (by the 6th round, Mosley had nothing), and tried to go for the kill against ODLH and he didn't try for any of those. I like warriors...

When has Oscar ever been KO'ed other than B-Hop which is a fight many believe he threw Oscar outweighed Mayweather by at least 15 lbs..Remind you Oscar was at his respectable wight class and he's not some bum ass zombie..he's a skilled boxer..He got lucky on KO'in Ricky really he started to turn the heat up and landed the same check hook he landed multiple times during the fight..Sometimes people just say the dumbest things..Kill yourself..

[megas30]

You are 26 years old, youngy, Mayweather's signature win is against Corrales...of which they were two undefeated champs and Corrales was the favorite due to his size and power. I am starting to forgive Pac fans, because most are under age 30 and really weren't following the sport. Most knew of about Manny after Dela hoya's fight and around the same time about Mayweather, after learning that he(Mayweather) might be Manny's rival. They've only seen the May vs Marquez and recently versus Mosley. Regardless of Mayweather's talent the expert always pick against him going in most of his fights unlike Manny who most always expect to win. They even pick Arturro Gotti to beat Mayweather, except for Max Kellerman, who felt it was a mismatch.

They aren't aware that promoters are sleaze-bags. They have never heard the worshiping of Mayweather from the HBO crew, even from Larry Merchant, at one point was paying Mayweather a great deal of compliments. Mayweather had fallen out with the HBO crew over his allegations of them offering him "slave wages" and calling the HBO crew "racist" and Emmanuel Steward an "Uncle Tom." I wish Mayweather was more humble, but i can't hate the guy for being who he is, but i do appreciate his boxing skills and followed all the other boxers that i have watched coming through the Olympics.

Side note: I wish Chris Byrd would have stayed at Middle weight after 92 Barcelona Olympics, and eventually make that fight with Roy Jones.

There is a point touched about fighters being excited as compare to being better: If u put fighters who are on the same level in the ring, the fight will be exciting 95 percent of the time, but if you put a lower level class fighter as the case with Magarito, Hatton, Clottey and Cotto with, someone like Pac and Mayweather, you will have a mismatch. Arturro Gatti look excited against Mickey Ward, because they're on the same level, but put Arturro up in class he will be blown out aka Oscar and Floyd. Mike Tyson was a beast, but would never beat the likes of Lennox, holyfield, Vladmir (the current version)or even a prime Bowe, because none of these guys feel inferior, intimidated, or lack the skill to compete with him, thus, wouldn't allow him to do what he loves to do.

To all Youngies, drop the hate and envy and approach the sport with intellect...see the smokescreens and propaganda, No boxer fight because he loves to.....he loves the potential of power and fortune thats comes with boxing, so at the end of the day his choice will only benefit him and his family...we are audience to his movie and want to be entertain and hope that we are...and if we are not, we pout and move and to the next.

[LeadUppercut]

Hey, STFU already.. If you could read, you would've learned that I don't find two guys rolling around on the ground hugging each other exciting... Geez, man, you've posted the same thing over and over. Don't you have anything else to say?

No, I did not read that, you were one post behind me.

I get your point.

Your personal preference of style, is your opinion.

But please don't try to "sell" that to me.

I prefer to watch a skilled fighter, although I agree with the earlier poster who stated that even club fights between evenly matched opponents can be more fun, because of the higher level of action.

All human beings are different, and I prefer technicians, but I see your point.