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Originally posted by GRUSTLER View PostCome on man! I'm speaking about what actually happened not
what I think or ASS/U/ME like you. Floyd called everyone out
when he was fighting at 130. All the big names at that and no
one gave him a shot. Even called Mosley out when he was at 130
and Shane at 135. What are you talking about? Floyd was begging
to fight Shane and Oscar. Cotto? PLEASE. Cotto wasn't even ready
to fight Floyd when Floyd went to 140 and fought Gatti. Cotto and
Hatton was there. Even Jim Lampley said Cotto was positioned to
be Floyd's next opponent but he should think about it because he is
not ready.
I never believed Cotto/Margarito could beat Floyd. Look at
how they turned out once they start fighting elite competition.
A prime Undefeated Cotto had a hard time against Mosley, and
Margarito pummeled him. All of a sudden Cotto would beat Floyd?
No way. Arum was in control of Cotto like he is with Pac and look
what's going on. Match making city. A no name Baldomir? When
did you start watching boxing? Baldomir beat the then Undisputed
WW, which was Zab Judah. Margarito who back then? After
trying to make a fight with Floyd, what did Margarito do after Floyd
told him to keep winning and the fight would be greater later?
He lost to Paul Williams. And why are people bringing up Margarito
anyway? Dude is a cheat who needed an illegal substance to beat
up on smaller guys in his own division. You guys make me laugh
with Floyd ducked Margarito. Sure, Floyd ducked Margarito to
fight the former Undisputed and Lineal champion(s), then take
on a bigger, stronger Oscar De La Hoya at 154, with all odds
stacked against him, with Freddie Roach in Oscar's corner and prior
been sparring with Mosley to get ready for Floyd. Yeah, I really
believe Floyd was scared of Cotto/Margarito (Sarcasm) Tell me this,
when was the last time Manny beat anyone on top of their game?
Also.... how come Cotto never called out Floyd? I have been
posting articles and quotes from back then and not one of them
proved Floyd ducked anyone back then. But we all see that Pac
is ducking fighters now.
You said in your previous posts that these guys didn't call out Floyd and you desperately asked and wanted to see links.
Margarito, Mosley, Williams, Manny all had and the ONLY reason that Cotto didn't is because once he was ready Floyd went into retirement. Links can be provided.
What you state about Mosley is again, a half truth. You are making the impression that Floyd was calling out Mosley and his priority was to fight Mosley and that he wanted to fight Mosley above everyone else (NOT TRUE)....... but Mosley had responded to Larry Merchant that if the money were right, perhaps November but Mosley DEFINITELY called out to fight Floyd if Floyd was willing to wait it out just a few lousy months.
Why wait?
1 - Mosley had just fought on July 15 2006
2a) - Mosley had plans to take off for a well deserved few months BEFORE those post-fight comments.
2b)- speculation on my part but I'm sure vacation was required also due to Mosley's marital problems ... again, this one is just speculation.
3 - Mosley SAID, for November I may not have enough time to train for Floyd PROPERLY.
4 - Mosley SAID I want to fight Floyd in early 2007. So my point was that Mosley did call out Floyd to fight him.
5 - Mosley actually fought in February 2007. So he really was stating things (see above) truthfully.
So the point was to tell you that Mosley DID state that he wanted to fight Floyd in early 2007 ..... Floyd, the constant vacationer, didn't wait. Wouldn't you think Floyd would wait if Floyd wanted Mosley too?
Again, these are all facts and was what you requested and links can be provided but I'm pretty sure now that you are realizing that perhaps you need to step back and make excuses and defend Floyd. No problem but your request was proof .... there is plenty of proof that it happened.
Oh, the biggest proof is that those fights NEVER happened. I mean, Cotto, Margarito, Williams. Yes, Mosley happened but it could have happened 3 years earlier. For me, even that Mosley was already at a downturn and out of prime but certainly better than the 2010 Mosley. As for Manny, let's hope it happens but didn't yet. Is Floyd waiting for Manny to get into 1 too many fights?
Stop bringing up Cotto at 140. You said it yourself, Cotto was not ready, so what was the point? You are making Floyd look bad by even mentioning him wanting a fight with a guy that was not ready.
The young Floyd called out Mosley: But you said it yourself, those guys moved up in divisions and Floyd knew that so what's the point?
As for the fight that actually happened with Oscar, I said it before, it was a good win (close) BUT that was not the same Oscar either.
- Oscar boxed part time, promoted part time, celebrity full time.
- Oscar had a very very average recent record going into that fight. (2-2 with 1 of those wins controversial and the other against Mayorga)
- Oscar no longer fought regularly.
- Oscar was no longer a prime fighter.
- The trainer, Roach, as you mentioned, said that is when he realized that Oscar can't pull the trigger anymore.
So the above was who Floyd fought. Not as scary as you presented it when you break it down, hey?Last edited by ADP02; 12-04-2010, 02:44 PM.
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Originally posted by ADP02 View PostYou said in your previous posts that these guys didn't call out Floyd and you desperately asked and wanted to see links.
Margarito, Mosley, Williams, Manny all had and the ONLY reason that Cotto didn't is because once he was ready Floyd went into retirement. Links can be provided......
..... but I notice that you started your post by saying "You said in your previous posts that..... you..... wanted to see links....."
..... but I also notice that you did not actually provide any ?
I am not doubting any particular point you made - although I can see two glaring innaccuracies - but I would just be interested to see where this is going.
And when you have finished your analysis on a guy that is not even relevant to boxing, I will ask you a few questions about one who is
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Originally posted by ADP02 View PostYou said in your previous posts that these guys didn't call out Floyd and you desperately asked and wanted to see links.
Margarito, Mosley, Williams, Manny all had and the ONLY reason that Cotto didn't is because once he was ready Floyd went into retirement. Links can be provided.
What you state about Mosley is again, a half truth. You are making the impression that Floyd was calling out Mosley and his priority was to fight Mosley and that he wanted to fight Mosley above everyone else (NOT TRUE)....... but Mosley had responded to Larry Merchant that if the money were right, perhaps November but Mosley DEFINITELY called out to fight Floyd if Floyd was willing to wait it out just a few lousy months.
Why wait?
1 - Mosley had just fought on July 15 2006
2a) - Mosley had plans to take off for a well deserved few months BEFORE those post-fight comments.
2b)- speculation on my part but I'm sure vacation was required also due to Mosley's marital problems ... again, this one is just speculation.
3 - Mosley SAID, for November I may not have enough time to train for Floyd PROPERLY.
4 - Mosley SAID I want to fight Floyd in early 2007. So my point was that Mosley did call out Floyd to fight him.
5 - Mosley actually fought in February 2007. So he really was stating things (see above) truthfully.
So the point was to tell you that Mosley DID state that he wanted to fight Floyd in early 2007 ..... Floyd, the constant vacationer, didn't wait. Wouldn't you think Floyd would wait if Floyd wanted Mosley too?
Again, these are all facts and was what you requested and links can be provided but I'm pretty sure now that you are realizing that perhaps you need to step back and make excuses and defend Floyd. No problem but your request was proof .... there is plenty of proof that it happened.
Oh, the biggest proof is that those fights NEVER happened. I mean, Cotto, Margarito, Williams. Yes, Mosley happened but it could have happened 3 years earlier. For me, even that Mosley was already at a downturn and out of prime but certainly better than the 2010 Mosley. As for Manny, let's hope it happens but didn't yet. Is Floyd waiting for Manny to get into 1 too many fights?
Stop bringing up Cotto at 140. You said it yourself, Cotto was not ready, so what was the point? You are making Floyd look bad by even mentioning him wanting a fight with a guy that was not ready.
The young Floyd called out Mosley: But you said it yourself, those guys moved up in divisions and Floyd knew that so what's the point?
As for the fight that actually happened with Oscar, I said it before, it was a good win (close) BUT that was not the same Oscar either.
- Oscar boxed part time, promoted part time, celebrity full time.
- Oscar had a very very average recent record going into that fight. (2-2 with 1 of those wins controversial and the other against Mayorga)
- Oscar no longer fought regularly.
- Oscar was no longer a prime fighter.
- The trainer, Roach, as you mentioned, said that is when he realized that Oscar can't pull the trigger anymore.
So the above was who Floyd fought. Not as scary as you presented it when you break it down, hey?
I didn't read the rest of your post though. It's clear that you hate Mayweather and failed to do what you originally stated in your rant.
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Originally posted by davis828 View PostStill no links. Mayweather called out Mosley in '99 and '06. It also isn't Mayweather's fault if Cotto isn't ready to fight him. I specifically recall Mayweather stating that Cotto was "too green to fight me" as he trained for the Gatti fight... Cotto never responded.
I didn't read the rest of your post though. It's clear that you hate Mayweather and failed to do what you originally stated in your rant.
on this site and shut that joker down.
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At the end of the day.. Floyd himself has stated that he is his own boss. He moves when he wants. He obviously does NOT want it.
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Originally posted by GRUSTLER View PostJust got back home but glad that there are some REAL BOXING fans
on this site and shut that joker down.
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