Comments Thread For: Arum: Berto is The Toughest Sell For Manny Pacquiao

[hitking]

Exactly. A large percentage of ******* Nation aren't real boxing fans. They can get Julio Cesar Chavez Sr. to come out of retirement to fight Pac and after Pac knocks him out in the first 30 seconds then they will shout how Pac is the greatest fighter of all time.

The real boxing fan respects Manny but knows that to be the greatest you have to beat the greatest. And if you try to tell me that Hatton, Cotto, Clottey and Margs are all time greats then you need to re-evaluate your boxing knowledge.

And please don't tell me that if Pac fights Shane that he would be fighting an all time great. This fight would have been good years ago when Shane was begging Roach for this fight and Roach flat out rejected him because they knew it wasn't the right time for Pac to get tossed around. Now that Shane has declined they want to fight him because they want to say they beat an all time great. I'm not buying it.

If you pay attention, Freddie Roach will tell you all you need to know about Pac's recent (and not so recent choice of opponents.) Dating all the way back to the first Morales fight, the one quote Roach has repeated in all of Pac's major fights is "(whomever he's fighting) is no longer the same fighter he once was." Therefore, if his trainer says a guy is past-it, what am I supposed to think?

[Pacquiao'd]

dont you think that floyd made mosley look terrible too? he made him look very old and un-dynamic which i know floyd can do with his skills (how i saw it anyway). floyd did the same to JMM but in fairness floyd did weigh a fair bit more....JMM and Pac are naturally closer and he's taken pac to the wire twice...unless mosley is on PEDS i see pac running rings around him pot shotting and countering him until mosley is battered silly

yeah but floyd beat jmm with all boxing. he didnt use his size. unlike iwth mosley, he beat mosley with his size, boxing skill and damn near the kitchen sink

[trainhard_187]

Haha. Seriously though, Manny's body has went through a transformation. And it's most noticable in his head.

Haters just goin keep hating. Preach on Kat...

[trainhard_187]

yeah but floyd beat jmm with all boxing. he didnt use his size. unlike iwth mosley, he beat mosley with his size, boxing skill and damn near the kitchen sink

Boooo, to this guy praising Floyds win over Marquez..

[hitking]

Yes, Pac is over rated these accomplishments are absurd..
"Fighter of the Decade 2000-2009" - Boxing Writers Association of America...
"2009 Fighter of the Year" - Boxing Writers Association of America...
"2009 Fighter of the Year" - The Ring...
"2008 Fighter of the Year" - Boxing Writers Association of America...
"2008 Fighter of the Year" - The Ring...
"2006 Fighter of the Year" - Boxing Writers Association of America...
"2006 Fighter of the Year" - The Ring...

All of the acomplishments you mentioned are mere popularity contests. Since the first Barerra fight, every one Pac biggest wins came against fighters coming off either loses, rebuilding from loses, or lackluster performacnes against lesser fighters. Its not about who you fight, its when you fight them. Margarito would have been a great win immediately after he stopped Cotto. But watching him lose every second of every round before before having his brain deposited into orbit kinda took the luster of Pac's performance against him, IMO. And the lis goes on and on.

[hitking]

Boooo, to this guy praising Floyds win over Marquez..

JMM is technically superior to 95% of the fighters I've ever seen, and I've been following this sport closely for over two decades. For Money to reduce him to a bad sparring partner after two years away from the sport is impressive, I don't care what the size difference was. And as has been repeated continually, great lightweights moving up beating great welterwieghts isn't uncommon in boxing. Hell, the great welterweight fighting the great lightweight has happen in just about ever era in boxing history.

[trainhard_187]

All of the acomplishments you mentioned are mere popularity contests. Since the first Barerra fight, every one Pac biggest wins came against fighters coming off either loses, rebuilding from loses, or lackluster performacnes against lesser fighters. Its not about who you fight, its when you fight them. Margarito would have been a great win immediately after he stopped Cotto. But watching him lose every second of every round before before having his brain deposited into orbit kinda took the luster of Pac's performance against him, IMO. And the lis goes on and on.

Tell that to the BWAA who probably knows more then you and me put together.. They aint just drawing names outta a hat now...

Nice try though..

[V.WEBB]

Manny vs Grandpa Mosley (who hasn't done ANYTHING recently).

[Pacquiao'd]

At this point if you dont sell PPV's you dont get a shot at Pacquiao. What suck is whos next after Mosley? Mayweather will be getting butt ****d in jail so its not gonna be him. Marquez is a never was. Berto might become a big name but it'll take some time. Pac might have to fight Khan next.

mosley doesnt sell PPVs. what are you talkign about. floyd carried that PPV.

[hitking]

Tell that to the BWAA who probably knows more then you and me put together.. They aint just drawing names outta a hat now...

Nice try though..

Well, fortunately for me, I have my own mind and more importantly, I have my own eyes. Boxing has become just like the music business. Its not about talent and accomplishments any more. Its about who the power's that be tell us is good. Example, in Jan 2009, Mosley completely outclassed then deposited Margarito flat on his ass. Fast foward a coupel years later. Mayweather fights the winner of that fight, beats him easily outside of a 30 second window, and criticized for it. Pacquaio fights the loser of that fight, beats him easily, but is hurt and has to go to the hospital. Yet, he's praised for it. How that makes logical sense to an intellegent person is beyond me. But as I stated, put any Manny Pacquaio win on the table after the first Barerra fight and I'll show you a fighter coming off a loss, rebuilding from a loss, or coming off a lackluster performance against a lesser fighter. If that's greatness, so be it.