Comments Thread For: Arum: Berto is The Toughest Sell For Manny Pacquiao

[guru]

First off, who the hell considers Judah, Mitchell, or even de la Hoya signature wins for Mayweather?

And like I said, you can dismiss his win over JMM all you want. But as I said, Duran moved from lightweight to welterweight to beat Leonard. Mosley went from lightweigh to welterweight to beat de la Hoya. Henry Armstrong held the featherweight, lightweight, and welterweight titles simultaneously. JMM is a great lightweight. Money is a great welterweght. That fight has happen throughout boxing history. And let's not forget that Money was coming off a two year layoff and basically used the #2 P4P fighter in the world and guy who most thought had beaten Pac the year before and treated him as a tune-up. Impressive.

As for Hatton, like I said, he and Mayweather started fighting at the same time. And while Hatton is a career 140, Money started at 130. So unless Mayweather hit puberty in his 30s, he's not that much naturally bigger than Hatton, if at all. Mayweather-Hatton was this eras version of Whitaker-Chavez where in the prefight buildup, the guy moving up in weight was thought to be the naturally bigger, stronger guy.

so its ok for floyd to fight JMM moving up 2 weight classes, fight oscar and zab coming off loses but its not OK for pac to fight hatton, cotto, margo, clottey, oscar?

if you say pac is cherry picking opponents, by fighting guys rebuilding from losses or at catch wieghts, then the same must be held to floyd. they've BOTH done the same things, you cant discount pac and praise floyd

[Nuurzhaelan]

Top Rank's CEO, Bob Arum, is hoping to have a deal in place by Dec. 19 for Manny Pacquiao (52-3-2, 38 KOs) to face WBA/WBO lightweight king Juan Manuel Marquez (52-5-1, 38 KOs), WBC welterweight belt-holder Andre Berto (27-0, 21 KOs), or five-time champ Shane Mosley (46-6-1, 39 KOs), that is, if nothing materializes with unbeaten six-time titlist Floyd Mayweather. Arum will arrive in the Philippines on December 14, and plans to present Pacquiao with several scenarios for his next fight.

...But a fight with a known cheater (who, incidentally, had to reapply for a license, and not in the state he originally had it suspended) for a title belt at a catch-weight in a division in which neither were ranked was not?

Wow, Arum. I think you're just getting lazy or feeding us lines of crap.

[KingOfTheRng]

That is bull **** mann mosley doesnt deserve a shot look at his last two fights a loss to mayweather and a draw with mora he does not deserve it. Arum keeps bringing up he beat de la hoya well DUH how ****ing long ago was that? and on top of that he was on steriods at the time. manny and mosley is a waste of time!!!!!

[victorythagr8]

I stand by my stance. When you try and fraud the public, you raise expectations. When Mayweather beat de la Hoya for a crap belt at 154. Had Jermain Taylor (the then middleweight champ) called Money out at 154 and Money said, "I'm too little", it would have been a b*tch move. And its not about whether you, I, or anyone consider Pac an 8 divison champ. That's what he's promoted as. Personally, I don't count his titles at 122, lightweight, welterweight, or 154. But that's my personal opinion. But my opinion doesn't matter. The masses see him as an 8 division champ. The biggest fight that avaiable to him now is in a division where he's currently champ. Therefore, he needs to fight the fight. If he gets his ass kicked, so be it.

I dont see how you cant count his title at 147. He just dominated 3 former champion 147 fighter and its clearly that Floyd and Pacquaio are the top 2 at 147. And also Clottey would've also been a champion but he got his belt stripped right before the cotto fight and also i felt clottey was robbed that night. Cause clottey vs cotto was supposed to be a unified championship fight.

I understand that 122 or 135 title though. That is why usually bring up the lineal title more(which pacquaio also hold the record for) too prove pacquaio greatness because you cant question the lineal title.

[hitking]

I dont see how you cant count his title at 147. He just dominated 3 former champion 147 fighter and its clearly that Floyd and Pacquaio are the top 2 at 147. And also Clottey would've also been a champion but he got his belt stripped right before the cotto fight and also i felt clottey was robbed that night. Cause clottey vs cotto was supposed to be a unified championship fight.

I understand that 122 or 135 title though. That is why usually bring up the lineal title more(which pacquaio also hold the record for) too prove pacquaio greatness because you cant question the lineal title.

Floyd Mayweather is the only fighter on the planet with a lineal claim to the legitimate welterweight title. But, he voluntarily vacated the strap. S if people want to call it vacant, I have no problem with that. My issue with Pac is that he didn't fight the guy who was considered the top guy to win his bel there. Yeah, Cotto beat Mosley. But, it was a razor-thin decision. He came back and KO'd by Margarito, who was KO'd by Mosley. When Pac fought Cotto, Mosley was on top of that little triangle. I didn't have a problem with him fighting Cotto. But, Cotto's belt was totally bogus. He won it vacant in a fight with Michael Jennings,

As for Pac's lineal titles, yeah, he's won 4. That' impressive.

[redrhoan]

its to early to b**** about manny's next opponent til they tell us who it is. save yourselves the stress. let arum hear it after he anounces.. well i guess by then it would be too late. so continue with the arguments hehe..

[madsweeney]

Floyd Mayweather is the only fighter on the planet with a lineal claim to the legitimate welterweight title. But, he voluntarily vacated the strap. S if people want to call it vacant, I have no problem with that. My issue with Pac is that he didn't fight the guy who was considered the top guy to win his bel there. Yeah, Cotto beat Mosley. But, it was a razor-thin decision. He came back and KO'd by Margarito, who was KO'd by Mosley. When Pac fought Cotto, Mosley was on top of that little triangle. I didn't have a problem with him fighting Cotto. But, Cotto's belt was totally bogus. He won it vacant in a fight with Michael Jennings,

As for Pac's lineal titles, yeah, he's won 4. That' impressive.

So Pac was supposed to jump strait to fight Mosley when he joined WW just over a year ago? He took on 3 of the top 5(besides him) WW's, only Mosley and Mayweather are left. People are hating on him fighting Mosley and apparently Mayweather doesn't feel like fighting still.

Hindsight shows that if Pac did take on Mosley, he probably would have kicked his old ass but I understand why they didn't take on Mosley right away, not many knew how shot he was.

[hitking]

so its ok for floyd to fight JMM moving up 2 weight classes, fight oscar and zab coming off loses but its not OK for pac to fight hatton, cotto, margo, clottey, oscar?

if you say pac is cherry picking opponents, by fighting guys rebuilding from losses or at catch wieghts, then the same must be held to floyd. they've BOTH done the same things, you cant discount pac and praise floyd

Like I said, who the hell considereds de la Hoya and Judah signature wins for Mayweather? My problem with Pac is that the mahjority of his major wins have come against guys coming off loses, rebuilding from loses, or lackluster perfoemances against lesser fighters. You talk about Money fighting Judah after a loss. But, you fail to state that in his next fight he fought and beat the guy who beat Judah. Yet, he's criticized for that too. Pacquaio fought the rematch and rubbermatch with Morales after Morales was outclassed by Zahir Raheem. Pac never did see Raheem.

As for your criticism of Mayweather fighting JMM. Either you don't get it, or get it and refuse to ackowledge it. He fought the #2 P4P fighter in the world as a tune-up after a two year layoff. That's impressive.

[V.WEBB]

Mayweathers ducking or what you call on vacation right? You just said it on my other thread..
Incase you forgot

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=443797&page=2

So since he is who else is their for Arum to choose..

If he IS ducking Manny (Manny is ducking the tests), there are OTHER fighters that are worthy of a fight with Manny. And their names are NOT Mosley or Marquez. So I don't want to hear this non-sense about Manny HAVING to fight these guys because Floyd isn't available. Heck, when Manny rejected the 14 day offer in the mediation, Floyd went and fought the #1 welter at the time, Mosley. Manny fought Clottey. So, you do the math.

[hitking]

So Pac was supposed to jump strait to fight Mosley when he joined WW just over a year ago? He took on 3 of the top 5(besides him) WW's, only Mosley and Mayweather are left. People are hating on him fighting Mosley and apparently Mayweather doesn't feel like fighting still.

Hindsight shows that if Pac did take on Mosley, he probably would have kicked his old ass but I understand why they didn't take on Mosley right away, not many knew how shot he was.

If Pac could have kicked his old ass, he shouldn't have ducked him. PEROID!!!!!!