Comments Thread For: Arum: Berto is The Toughest Sell For Manny Pacquiao

[mikemurni]

I prefer Mosley than Berto, even tho Berto is in his prime, he doesn't deserve a fight with Pac.

The problem here is that you have 2 fighters (Bradley, Berto) who are young, undefeated, and in their prime. However both fighters have zero marketability which means Pac would have to carry the promotion by himself.

On the other hand, you have two recognizable names(Marquez, Mosley) wherein one is unproven above 135, and the other is perceived to be a shot fighter..

If I had my way, I would let Berto fight Mosley at 147, and the winner get to fight Pac at 147 in mid-2011.

And then have Bradley-Marquez fight at 140, and the winner get to fight Pac at 140 or at catchweight between 140-146 in late-2011.

This way you have the younger guys being able to boost their stock, and you will have the older fighters being able to prove that they are still relevant at WW or LWW.

[boxingfan76]

to your sig, Chavez did fight a lot of bums to reach that record.

WHEN CHAVEZ WAS NUMBER 1 PND FOR PND AND TAYLOR WAS NUMBER ONE PND FOR PND GUESS WHAT THEY FOUGHT! TO SETTLE THE SCORE AND SEE WHOS REALLY THE BEST, UNLIKE MANROID WHO RUNS AWAY FROM BLOODTESTS, ANYBODY THATS A THREAT LIKE BERTO,MARTINEZ AND EVEN JMM!!! PAC JUST FIGHTS WASHED UP HAS BEENS son.we all know that, stop pretending.

[boxingfan76]

The problem here is that you have 2 fighters (Bradley, Berto) who are young, undefeated, and in their prime. However both fighters have zero marketability which means Pac would have to carry the promotion by himself.

On the other hand, you have two recognizable names(Marquez, Mosley) wherein one is unproven above 135, and the other is perceived to be a shot fighter..

If I had my way, I would let Berto fight Mosley at 147, and the winner get to fight Pac at 147 in mid-2011.

And then have Bradley-Marquez fight at 140, and the winner get to fight Pac at 140 or at catchweight between 140-146 in late-2011.

This way you have the younger guys being able to boost their stock, and you will have the older fighters being able to prove that they are still relevant at WW or LWW.

see that whole train of thought holds no truth whos more unmarketable and less known than clottey???? the clottey fight sold well.pac doesnt need a super well known opponenet .and a LEGIT OPPONENNT especially an american will sell way more than clottey. its just a ducking game pac is making lots of money for lots of people the last thing they want is somebody beating his ass.they dont want the cash cow to end, if berto woulda looked like shiaat theyd be all ovverrrr berto!

[guru]

JMM- 75% of those who watched thought he won the Pacquaio rematch. He was also coming off KO wins over Casamayor and Diaz. Then #2 P4P. And I'll reiterate, great lightweights moving up beating great welterweights have happen numerous times in history.

Mosley- coming off a brtual KO win over Margarito and considered #1 at welter. Was also #3 P4P

Hatton- coming off probably the second best win of his carre in Castillo (who although was probably shot, was still a fringe P4P guy) Oh yeah, Hatton was in everyone's top 5 P4P and undefeated. BTW, Money and Hatton started fighting at the same time. Hatton was a career 140 lvber while Money started at 130

de la Hoya- coming off being competitive with middlewiehgt champ B-Hop and a KO of Mayorga. He was arguably #1 at 154.

Baldomir- the universally recognized and lineal welterwiehgt champ coming off a KO of Gatti and title winning UD over Judah

Must I keep going???

JMM- does it really count as a great win if he moves up 2 wieght classes, loses, then moves back down where he belongs?

Hatton - same as above but just one weight class

oscar & mitchell - one fight away from being KO'd by nard & tszyu. if you criticize pac for fight cotto and hatton after gettin KO'd then the same rules apply here.

zab - coming off a LOSS.

my point is you can pick on ANYONES resume and all things you pick on pac about you use against floyd.

[victorythagr8]

Actaully, JMM wasn't in The Ring magazine's top 5 P4P when he fought he. He was in the bottom half of the top 10 because he was rebuilding from a loss to Chris John. Cotto was demoted to #9 because of his lackluster perforamnce against Clottey. And Hatton was removed from the ratings after his lackluster performacne against Lazcano, and was back in at #9 after his win over Malignaggi prior to fighting Pac. Pac hasn't fought a top tier P4P guy since the first Barerra fight.

Try again.

SO you basically saying barrera is a more elite boxer than Marquez and ignore the fact that marquez was as high as p4p number 2 since his 2nd fight from pacquaio.

Also you forgot that Hatton became p4p number 10 when he destroyed Pauli(which was after that lazcano fight)

Cotto still was a p4p fighter.

Again did you also factor top tier p4p fighters when pacquaio was @ their weight class.

[victorythagr8]

If Martinez went up and fought some dip**** super middleweight coming off a brutal KO loss for some vacant paper trinket. Then, one of the Klitschkos said, I'll come down to 168 to fight Martinez and Martinez said no, he'd be the same ducking, cherry picking hypocrite as Pac and all the Pacwh*res) like yourself.

SO now im a pacwhore now and hypocrite.

Really now find a post in this whole board that i support catch a catchweight against margarito.


If you find one then call me a pacwhore or *******. If you find alot of post of me being pissed off of the margarito fight because i hated that margarito got a payday and they are fighting for a vacant 154 belt. Also find a post of me calling pacquaio an 8 times champion. Actually the only thing i want pacquaio due to margarito is to make his ass retired for the bricks and give his ass brain damage.

Unlike your dumbass im am not biased. Im a very big fan of Sergio martinez, floyd and pacquaio. ANd the only fight that matters too me is Floyd vs Pacquaio or Marquez vs Pacquaio.

Again how hard is it for your dumbass to not see that Pacquaio couldnt even make 150 and that martinez cant make it below 154 and there is noway this fight will happen at all without any criticism.

[jrosales13]

Disgusting.

[hitking]

SO now im a pacwhore now and hypocrite.

Really now find a post in this whole board that i support catch a catchweight against margarito.


If you find one then call me a pacwhore or *******. If you find alot of post of me being pissed off of the margarito fight because i hated that margarito got a payday and they are fighting for a vacant 154 belt. Also find a post of me calling pacquaio an 8 times champion. Actually the only thing i want pacquaio due to margarito is to make his ass retired for the bricks and give his ass brain damage.

Unlike your dumbass im am not biased. Im a very big fan of Sergio martinez, floyd and pacquaio. ANd the only fight that matters too me is Floyd vs Pacquaio or Marquez vs Pacquaio.

Again how hard is it for your dumbass to not see that Pacquaio couldnt even make 150 and that martinez cant make it below 154 and there is noway this fight will happen at all without any criticism.

If he couldn't make the weight, don't fight the fight. By fighting the fight, he's telling me, "I can fight at 154." Now, when it comes time to fight someone legit at the weight, "I'm too little." When you try and fraud the public, you raise expectations for yourself. If he's too little to fight at 154, they shouldn't promote him as an 8 division world champion. PERROID!!!!!!!!!

[IMDAZED]

Pacquiao fans are beginning to sound like Floyd fans circa 2006, talking about what makes more sense business-wise blah, blah, blah. I don't know who Manny should fight but I know names like Marquez and Mosley shouldn't be on that list.

[hitking]

SO you basically saying barrera is a more elite boxer than Marquez and ignore the fact that marquez was as high as p4p number 2 since his 2nd fight from pacquaio.

Also you forgot that Hatton became p4p number 10 when he destroyed Pauli(which was after that lazcano fight)

Cotto still was a p4p fighter.

Again did you also factor top tier p4p fighters when pacquaio was @ their weight class.

Barerra was about #2 or #3 P4P when Pac first fought him.

As for JMM, the reason why he is respected so highly in a P4P sense is because of his fights with Pac. Hell, outside of Pac, his only other crack at a P4P elite resulted in him losing 12 out of 12 rounds. So really, how good is he?

Yeah, I think I stated that Hatton got back in the ratings after beating Malignaggi, which came after being damn near KO'd by Lazcano. But really, how much of a gage is Malignaggi as to whether a fighter can no longer take punches. And not only that, when exactly didn't Malignaggi equal a great win for a co-called elite fighter?

And yes, Cotto was still elite, as I stated. But, he was coming off a KO loss and lackluster performance against a C Class fighter.

I can't see where I've stated anything but facts here. There were question marks surrounding all those fighters coming into their fights with Pac. Look no further than Pac's trainer who stated that, (all of these guys) were no longer the same fighter they once were prior to fighting Pac. If his trainer thinks they're past-it, what am I supposed to think?