Comments Thread For: Marquez Taunts Pacquiao With Shirt, Schaefer Jabs Arum

[fabie]

Just like Pacquiao has improved, Marquez could too in a match
against Pacquiao. Marquez unlike all of Pac's past opponents
is winning and still fights his heart out.

Respectfully and humbly, I don't see it.

At most, Marquez have maintained the same mastery he has of counter-punching, has he regressed from then? Perhaps a little but pretty much the same.

With Pacquiao, it is so obvious. He has leapt bounds and walls....in an unprecedented fashion.

This "new" Pacquiao would simply be too much for Marquez.

[LeadUppercut]

I don't remember you, but you're likely a ***** that turned tail like his idol.

Please suggest something for Pac's future that isn't a b1tch move.

You can't do it, huh? Closet *****s like you must have a hard time accepting Floyd is gone from the picture.

What, are you serious ?

Take a seat kid.....

Firstly, I am not a *****, I don't give a **** about that idiot......
..... so your " oh, you must be a ***** " excuse, will not work today.

Secondly, it is a joke that you need me to point out how a real champion should carry himself. And it is an even bigger joke that Manny also needs somebody to point that out to him.

Thirdly, I will let you off the hook..... I will not embarrass you by pointing out all of the b1tch-moves that make up Manny's career, just the moves that he should make in order to benefit boxing and actually assist with his legacy.

1.) Manny should stop peddling this 8th-divisional champion bull****, and actually fight a genuine JMW. I mean, ANY junior middleweight will do, because I suppose you can't really expect somebody like Manny to actually front up and fight a champion. BTW, Manny should study tapes of Sergio to see how a real P4P champ behaves. Martinez is not the one calling for a catch-weight, Martinez is the guy knocking those fools TFO.

2.) Fight Marquez at 140. Marquez is not even a factor above 135. At 140, Manny would still have a significant advantage over Marquez, and Manny could easily make JWW. Manny should also study tapes of Marquez to see how a real P4P champ behaves. A past-prime Marquez went up 4-divisions from his career best weight to fight the very best P4P fighter in the world, and yet Manny will not even fight a bum from within his own division without a catch-weight.

3.) THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT: Manny needs to stop with the piles of bull**** excuses and agree to undergo WADA random blood tests. I mean WTF?

This is Manny's greatest achievement so far, and the most distinct aspect to his legacy..... putting on 15lb's of muscle in less than 18 months, and then avoiding random blood tests without being publicly labelled a dirty cheat.

Highly su****ious right there, as history will confirm. In 20 years time, when WADA tests are mandatory, the entire world will wonder why Manny would not step up.

How's that for starters ?

When you have finished digesting that, I will add more, unfortunately.

[stick&move]

I think I do understand your position.

Pacquiao in his recent fights have been mixed-intentions of making money AND unprecedented legacy. Who would blame him for the ludicrous amounts of money he's been getting?

I am not defending everything he does and when it pertains to Marquez, sure he gave him his stiffest challenges in his career. But I also thought that he has gone miles and miles ahead of his old ways of fighting.

I used to "curse" at him while watching him fight Morales (1st fight) and whenever he fights Marquez with his uber-predictable JAB-JAB-STRAIGHT LEFTS. Over and over.

But if anything I have never seen so much transformation and progress in a boxer. I've been watching a lot of boxing likewise and saw THRILLA IN MANILA at an early age of 8ish/9ish that left an indelible mark on my psyche that led me to love the sport of pugilism.

I actually "hated" Pacquiao's style and would opt for the sweet-science of boxing a la' ALI. And now seeing that in Mayweather in how he defend, his pull-counters and his shoulder-rolls. His distancing, his pivoting and uncanny timing.

But I cannot deny Pacquiao's awesome progress and into a wrecking machine that reminds me of Aaron Pryor as he dismantles one of my favorites in Arguello.

And so for the Marquez and Pacquiao III, I really think that Pacquiao would annihilate him. Simply.

As usual nice analysis Fabie,

I agree that Pac has made several improvements since his last fight with JMM. I think he always had the Rt hook, combo punching, body punching, uppercut, and defensive head movement ala mike Tyson in his arsenal but Roach made him focus on his strengths earlier in his career w/c were the straight Lt, double and single rt jabs.

The developments I've seen are improved foot work, punching in angles, ability to see/expect punches coming which has improved his ability to take a punch, 45 degree RT hook/upper cut, short Lt Cross, and lead Lt Straight. Over the past 2 years Pac's ability to combine all these skills has made him a far superior boxer/slugger than pac in his days as a feather wt.

As such, even though I think Pac would destroy JMM, I think JMM will be a more exciting fight than any of Pacs recent matches.

As an avid boxing fan as yourself, would you want to have an actual point of comparison to pacs development and test his new skills against the same legendary opponent or do you think fighting: berto / bradley / alexander / moseley is a more appropriate test of Pacs improved skills?

[GRUSTLER]

Respectfully and humbly, I don't see it.

At most, Marquez have maintained the same mastery he has of counter-punching, has he regressed from then? Perhaps a little but pretty much the same.

With Pacquiao, it is so obvious. He has leapt bounds and walls....in an unprecedented fashion.

This "new" Pacquiao would simply be too much for Marquez.

I guess we will have to agree to disagree. Manny is a very good fighter
but he never dominating Marquez in either fight and I don't think Manny
has improved to the point that he wold beat a guy (JMM) that he couldn't
best before 2X's. Sure Manny looks spectacular against slower, come
forward, pressure fighters but until he faces a technical boxer again
we will never officially know how good he has gotten in my opinion.

[V.WEBB]

Pac would get less money if he fights a GBP fighter because according to Pac's contract, whenever he fights a GBP boxer, GBP would be the LEAD promotion company. this is the reason Arum/Pac does not want to get a fight with a GBP company UNLESS if a GBP boxer has a huge following, like Hatton in the UK......

JMM initially refused $750,000 in the 1st rematch only to lose to Chris John and got paid $30,000....

i want Pac to fight JMM although i doubt it will happen.....

Why do you care how much money Manny will make?

[GRUSTLER]

As usual nice analysis Fabie,

I agree that Pac has made several improvements since his last fight with JMM. I think he always had the Rt hook, combo punching, body punching, uppercut, and defensive head movement ala mike Tyson in his arsenal but Roach made him focus on his strengths earlier in his career w/c were the straight Lt, double and single rt jabs.

The developments I've seen are improved foot work, punching in angles, ability to see/expect punches coming which has improved his ability to take a punch, 45 degree RT hook/upper cut, short Lt Cross, and lead Lt Straight. Over the past 2 years Pac's ability to combine all these skills has made him a far superior boxer/slugger than pac in his days as a feather wt.

As such, even though I think Pac would destroy JMM, I think JMM will be a more exciting fight than any of Pacs recent matches.

As an avid boxing fan as yourself, would you want to have an actual point of comparison to pacs development and test his new skills against the same legendary opponent or do you think fighting: berto / bradley / alexander / moseley is a more appropriate test of Pacs improved skills?

Nope! If Manny Pacquiao has improved so much then he should
just give Juan Manuel Marquez another fight and a comfortable
weight for Marquez and show what he can do this time. Wouldn't
that make the most sense? Because out of all of Pac's potential
match ups, Marquez has the most interesting story and great
hype and build up. Pacquiao saying Marquez is not a good fight
and won't generate interest/money is a cop out because that is
clearly not the case.

[LeadUppercut]

Respectfully and humbly, I don't see it.

At most, Marquez have maintained the same mastery he has of counter-punching, has he regressed from then? Perhaps a little but pretty much the same.

With Pacquiao, it is so obvious. He has leapt bounds and walls....in an unprecedented fashion.

This "new" Pacquiao would simply be too much for Marquez.

Marquez is a far better fighter than Pacquiao, that is clearly obvious.

A few years closer to his prime, and at 130lbs, Marquez beats Manny, again.

At 135..... possibly the same result.

At 140..... very little chance.

At 147..... forget it, no chance at all.

Manny is a b1tch if he fights Marquez at 147, and anybody who thinks that he should is also a b1tch, just my humble opinion. Manny could easily make 140.

It is a total fkn joke that Manny demanded Cotto at 145, and will only fight Marquez at 147 It's laughable that Team Pacquiao are still p1ssing themselves over Marquez.

[Las Vegas,]

I really think that Pacquiao now are MILES AHEAD. Pacquiao has improved but Marquez hasn't.

Take note: KATSIDIS threw a wicked LEFT HOOK that floored Marquez. Don't you think that Pacquiao can do MORE than that and follow it up with combinations WITH POWER?

Miles Ahead? Pacquiao just got bigger. He's fought fighters who are tailor made to make him look good. Stop trying to say he's "improved" by improved you mean gotten bigger and pulled off victories over guys coming off horrible performances and no where near the skill set Marquez has then yes. He's drastically improved. Styles makes fights, 10 times out of 10 Marquez will ALWAYS give Pacquiao problems.

Also I laughed at the "Katsidis threw a wicked left that floored Marquez, Pacquiao can do more!" That is the typical response of a hardcore Pacquiao fan who acts as if Katsidis is somehow Manny Pacquiao. Pacquiao has done that already, 4 times. He knocked him down four times with the left hand and couldn't finish. He won't finish him now either.

People said the exact same thing in 2008. "PACQUIAO's CHANGED! He'll knock him out!" It's like De Ja Vu. I just can't help to laugh, I was a Pacquiao fan back in 2008 and laughed even back then when people said Pacquiao would knock Marquez out. That will never happen unless somehow they agree to fight at HW and Pacquiao takes super roids and A-side Meth before the fight.

[stick&move]

Nope! If Manny Pacquiao has improved so much then he should
just give Juan Manuel Marquez another fight and a comfortable
weight for Marquez and show what he can do this time. Wouldn't
that make the most sense? Because out of all of Pac's potential
match ups, Marquez has the most interesting story and great
hype and build up. Pacquiao saying Marquez is not a good fight
and won't generate interest/money is a cop out because that is
clearly not the case.

I totally agree that a JMM trilogy at a comforatble wt would be profitable. Probably more so than Pacs last fight with margarito. Too many angles to build this fight: unfinished business, last 2 fights were close, 2 great fan bases. I disagree with pacs assumption, I don't think he's coping out but I think there are so many options that he can't make appropriate forecasts to w/c fight is more profitable. This is evident in team pacs varied opinion in who he should fight next (mosley, berto, alexander, JMM). Hopefully someone in Pacs team can show him this is the most profitable fight outside of the mayweather fight.

However, what do you think is a comforatble weight especially since both fighters fight night weight (rehydrated weight) was in 145-148 range for their most recent fights?

[GRUSTLER]

I totally agree that a JMM trilogy at a comforatble wt would be profitable. Probably more so than Pacs last fight with margarito. Too many angles to build this fight: unfinished business, last 2 fights were close, 2 great fan bases. I disagree with pacs assumption, I don't think he's coping out but I think there are so many options that he can't make appropriate forecasts to w/c fight is more profitable. This is evident in team pacs varied opinion in who he should fight next (mosley, berto, alexander, JMM). Hopefully someone in Pacs team can show him this is the most profitable fight outside of the mayweather fight.

However, what do you think is a comforatble weight especially since both fighters fight night weight (rehydrated weight) was in 145-148 range for their most recent fights?

I think at 140. Marquez only goes up 5lbs and Pac comes down.
Pac only weighed 144 for Margarito, so he should be able to make
that comfortably. On top of that. Having it at 140 is also a good
opportunity to set up a fight with Alexander/Bradley or Maidana/Kahn.

If Team Pacquiao can't see the Marquez fight is the
best fight then something is wrong with their business
sense. Marquez/Pacquiao has a HUGE opportunity to
sell well.