if sergio wants pac, 150 is where its at...

[IronDanHamza]

So Martinez is no good because Barker was competitive? Is that your angle?

My angle is a Top P4P fighter has no business being in a competitive fight with a fighter that has only fought above domestic level a handful of times.

Epsecially when their single fight after an injury lay-off he looked average against a Euro Level fighter.

So, yes. It makes Martinez not as good as many think.

A top P4P fighter has no business losing rounds and getting busted up by a fighter on Darren Barker's level.

because in Pacman's very last fight he followed a clearly shot 40 year old around the ring like an amateur & allowed Mosley to make the final bell.

And this means, what?

Am I supposed to care about that?

That fight was bull****, too.

But, atleast Mosley had fought a fighter who has fought on World Level in his fight before he fought Pacquaio. Something again, Barker has ever done.

Martinez stopped Barker,Pacman didn't stop Mosley, what does that say about him?

It say's that Martinez stopped an unproven fighter who has fought no one his entire career?

And Pacquaio didn't stop a former world class fighter who hadn't won a fight in years?

Is there supposed to be a point here?

By your standards & all. It's not clearly worse cherrypickin on Martinez's part

Well, it is.

Because Barker has fought above Domestic level only a handful of times and has never ever been ranked in the Top 10 in his lack luster career.

Do you understand that? Do yu understand how pathetic that is? For a Top P4P fighter to chose this person as his opponent?

Martinez was a 25/1 favourite in some bookies in Barkers country for a very good reason. Have Mayweather and Pac EVER been that much of a favourite in ANY of thier fights?

No, they haven't. For a very good reason.

he gave an undefeated fighter a chance at fighting on the world class level. Something Pacman has not done at all as a welterweight & something Floyd has only done once.

So what? What does that mean?

So if Mayweather or Pac fight Kell Brook next that's a legit fight to you? Because they are giving an 'undefeated fighter a chance at world level'? No of course it isn't.

Being undefeated means literally nothing. Especially when Barker has fought bums literally his entire 23 fight career.

Stop being a hypocrite because if your 'Mission' is to exose cherrypickers than Martinez should top that list.

But that isn't your mission. Your mission is to hate Pacquaio and Mayweather.

You can't make it any more obvious when you try and defend Martinez fighting Barker.

[Bushbaby]

My angle is a Top P4P fighter has no business being in a competitive fight with a fighter that has only fought above domestic level a handful of times.

Epsecially when their single fight after an injury lay-off he looked average against a Euro Level fighter.

So, yes. It makes Martinez not as good as many think.

A top P4P fighter has no business losing rounds and getting busted up by a fighter on Darren Barker's level.



And this means, what?

Am I supposed to care about that?

That fight was bull****, too.

But, atleast Mosley had fought a fighter who has fought on World Level in his fight before he fought Pacquaio. Something again, Barker has ever done.



It say's that Martinez stopped an unproven fighter who has fought no one his entire career?

And Pacquaio didn't stop a former world class fighter who hadn't won a fight in years?

Is there supposed to be a point here?



Well, it is.

Because Barker has fought above Domestic level only a handful of times and has never ever been ranked in the Top 10 in his lack luster career.

Do you understand that? Do yu understand how pathetic that is? For a Top P4P fighter to chose this person as his opponent?

Martinez was a 25/1 favourite in some bookies in Barkers country for a very good reason. Have Mayweather and Pac EVER been that much of a favourite in ANY of thier fights?

No, they haven't. For a very good reason.




So what? What does that mean?

So if Mayweather or Pac fight Kell Brook next that's a legit fight to you? Because they are giving an 'undefeated fighter a chance at world level'? No of course it isn't.

Being undefeated means literally nothing. Especially when Barker has fought bums literally his entire 23 fight career.

Stop being a hypocrite because if your 'Mission' is to exose cherrypickers than Martinez should top that list.

But that isn't your mission. Your mission is to hate Pacquaio and Mayweather.

You can't make it any more obvious when you try and defend Martinez fighting Barker.

Barker has fought on a world class level now, on saturday boy. That means someone gave him a chance. Just like when Forrest gave Mora his chance. It means that if world class fighters do not give the young guys a chance, we'll never know how good they can be it's real simple. As it remains the Barker that Martinez ko'd still beats the Margarito that Pacman decisioned.

[iNDOLiFER]

LOL at the comments defending martinez!! so martinez is a good guy and its not a cherry pick move anymore because he gave a young untested fighter a chance?? LOL!!!! your worst than the *******s and *****s on here. if a top level fighter will never give a young fighter a chance how would we know if that young fighter is good or not? how about work your way up, fight some more well known respected fighters and beat them then u'll get your shot at some of the best. thats when people will see how good u are.

[bojangles1987]

Damn IronDan, LMAO.

[jrosales13]

Damn IronDan, LMAO.

[BuckToothed]

It really isn't arguable, in case you did not know, Barker went 11 rounds with a top pfp fighter in the world. Competitively. Margarito's last good fight on an elite level was Cotto in 2008 & it is controversial due to him being caught trying to cheat against Mosley in his very next fight. Your trying too hard & owning urself. Barker fought well, better than expected on the world class level on saturday, period. Margarito hasn't since 08 Fact.

Plaster-less Margarito went 12 rounds with THE P4P #1 fighter in the world and didn't get KO'd, unlike Barker.

What is your argument again?

[IronDanHamza]

Barker has fought on a world class level now, on saturday boy.

Well yes, obviously he has now.

Because Martinez cherry picked him. And that is the only reason he has.

Other than that, he hasn't.

And the fact is, before saturday. And had fought no one in his career and again had only fought above domestic level a few times.

I'm sorry, but that is inexcusable for a top P4P fighter.

Doesn't this fit the catergory of the 'mission'?

That means someone gave him a chance. Just like when Forrest gave Mora his chance. It means that if world class fighters do not give the young guys a chance, we'll never know how good they can be it's real simple.

Really? Really?

How about work your way up. Beat some ranked fighters, fight some world level fighters and beat them.

Top P4P level fighters are NOT suposed to be giving unproven fighters a 'chance'. They are supposed to be fighting ranked, established and top ranked fighters.

This is just getting more pathetic every post.

The way you make excuses for Martinez blatent cherry pick is just ridiculous and cringe worthy.

As it remains the Barker that Martinez ko'd still beats the Margarito that Pacman decisioned.

Well, probably. Probably because Barker is a Middleweight and Margarito has never fought there.

Barker would beat the Corales that Mayweather stopped. Doesn't make it a better win does it.

[Bushbaby]

Well yes, obviously he has now.

Because Martinez cherry picked him. And that is the only reason he has.

Other than that, he hasn't.

And the fact is, before saturday. And had fought no one in his career and again had only fought above domestic level a few times.

I'm sorry, but that is inexcusable for a top P4P fighter.

Doesn't this fit the catergory of the 'mission'?



Really? Really?

How about work your way up. Beat some ranked fighters, fight some world level fighters and beat them.

Top P4P level fighters are NOT suposed to be giving unproven fighters a 'chance'. They are supposed to be fighting ranked, established and top ranked fighters.

This is just getting more pathetic every post.

The way you make excuses for Martinez blatent cherry pick is just ridiculous and cringe worthy.



Well, probably. Probably because Barker is a Middleweight and Margarito has never fought there.

Barker would beat the Corales that Mayweather stopped. Doesn't make it a better win does it.

It's getting pathetic when you sit there & ask what has Barker done? Just as much as Margarito, Mosley Marquez at 147 & Clottey did, oh wait, never mind, he was winning. Then you bring up Mora for Mosley. Forrest gave Mora his chance. Cotto gave Torres his chance. Ortiz gave Maidana his chance Judah gave Mattysse his chance, just like Martinez gave Barker his chance.

Mosley Margarito & Marquez are worse because all they bring are names. None were quality opponents when Pacman beat them. Floyd gave Ortiz a chance & between Floyd & Pacman, that was the only fighter that either guy gave a chance to at welterweight.

Tell me did Mosley work his way up to Pacman, did Margarito, did Clottey, or even Marquez? No they did not. They worked down the ladder, but got the call anyway. Barker will fight again, & he'll look good against quality & we'll see it now that he made a name, Just like Torres, Maidana,Mattysse & all the others that got a shot. Were they cherrypicked maybe, but they were quality that no one would have known about if a star fighter didn'nt give them opertunity.

Everyone knows who was going to win when Pacman fought Mosley, everyone knows who's going to win when he fights Marquez. He could have given a Jones a shot, or a Berto or countless other young fighters, he chose old men. There's a mighty difference.

[iNDOLiFER]

It's getting pathetic when you sit there & ask what has Barker done? Just as much as Margarito, Mosley Marquez at 147 & Clottey did, oh wait, never mind, he was winning. Then you bring up Mora for Mosley. Forrest gave Mora his chance. Cotto gave Torres his chance. Ortiz gave Maidana his chance Judah gave Mattysse his chance, just like Martinez gave Barker his chance.

Mosley Margarito & Marquez are worse because all they bring are names. None were quality opponents when Pacman beat them. Floyd gave Ortiz a chance & between Floyd & Pacman, that was the only fighter that either guy gave a chance to at welterweight.

Tell me did Mosley work his way up to Pacman, did Margarito, did Clottey, or even Marquez? No they did not. They worked down the ladder, but got the call anyway. Barker will fight again, & he'll look good against quality & we'll see it now that he made a name, Just like Torres, Maidana,Mattysse & all the others that got a shot. Were they cherrypicked maybe, but they were quality that no one would have known about if a star fighter didn'nt give them opertunity.

Everyone knows who was going to win when Pacman fought Mosley, everyone knows who's going to win when he fights Marquez. He could have given a Jones a shot, or a Berto or countless other young fighters, he chose old men. There's a mighty difference.

LOL!! mosley, marg, marquez and clottey were well established fighters already when they face pacman. who is barker again??

[Reloaded]

pac is a natural jww......above that aint really his best but his god given talents still allows him to beat topnotch fighters....margo was only a pound smaller than last saturday's sergio when he fought pac and that fight took place at 150,why cant he do it?..he can always weigh as much as he wants come fight night.....pwill just fought him at mw and even he was willing to fight pac at 147......pac aint asking him to fight at ww, intead at a catchweight of a division he use to rule not too long ago.....so him not willing to fight at 150 does'nt mean he's ducking but also does'nt mean he really wants it bad enough!.....

And where do you justify JMM at 144 in all this , after all Pac is CW natural JWW right ,,,,, *** Manny and his bull**** CW fights .

And he will never fight Sergio as long as his ass points to the ground , Pac dont take any risks like that , if he cant CW them to an advantage for him he dont fight .