Technical analysis why Floyd will NEVER fight Pac or Sergio

[Cash Cow]

Yes he is. The problem is his tendency to stay in his shell and let his opponents pile up points due to his inactivity.

You don't think he is....tell that to Judah and others and he was countering the **** outta those guys (as well as Manny when he opened up).

man Clottey is no way is a counter puncher......

[pbftxrs316]

Well Lebwaba (sp) was a counter puncher and Manny dominated him, and Clottey is a very good counter puncher (although is output/heart/ and desire to win are complete ****) and got dominated as well.

Truth be told....history has shown he has struggled with Marquez...and Marquez best success wasn't so much with him countering (although that played a role) but him finishing off combos better and taking the fight to Manny at the right time while not getting reckless.

you're a ****ing tool---just as much as that company you have as your username---you just posted not too long ago about how it was funny that people were comparing mitchell, judah, and corley to manny--but just claimed that clottey and lebwaba is a counterpuncher as if that's something to compare floyd with---how dumb can you make yourself look kid?

clottey is not a counterpuncher, you are fooled---floyd is the ultimate counterpuncher---and he counters with both of his hands, not just his right hand---he can counter you to the body like he did with judah in round 4--and turned the whole complexion of the fight when he did---lol--and judah is a much better technical fighter than manny is--not even close--

the only type of style that can compete with floyd when it comes to southpaws is a technical fighter with great timing---something that judah has in the beginning of fights---manny is nowhere near judah when it comes to that---do your research homey---

[LoadedWraps]

Clottey IS a counter-puncher. Why are people suddenly arguing he's not? Don't make a biased opinion based on one fight (Pac's...)

[pbftxrs316]

The dude saying there's no comparison is correct.

Tell me Judah, Corley, and Mitchell are anywhere near Pacquiao in terms of overall package, and you might as well stamp "****ING FOOL" on your forehead. They're not. And no one is going to out-technique Floyd. If he loses, it'll be to someone awkward and unique, a la Pacquiao, with unconventional angles and combinations, et cetera.

And as for the previous comment I made about jabbing not being enough to deter Pacquiao, someone wrote he was dominated by Morales and Marquez, but my point is that Pacquiao got to them, and he got to them with solid shots eventually. Jabbing wouldn't be enough. Straight rights are another story.

But lastly, the reason people bring up the southpaw **** is that Floyd struggled in those fights. Corley rocked him (and he can't punch) and Judah scored a knockdown that was unscored. And both of them are inferior to Manny.

another ****** comparison---those fights that floyd so called struggled in were one sided fights---corley rocked floyd in round 4 only to be dropped later in the round where it wasn't counted--right after he did it--judah stepped on floyd's foot when he landed that right hook on him--didn't you watch it? that's why it wasn't scored a knockdown---coz floyd lost his balance due to the punch and having his foot stepped on---

manny has went down on bodyshots--clearly--and floyd digs to the body a hell of a lot when he fights southpaws---he folded corley in round 6, and rocked judah in round 4, 5, 6, 7, you get the point i hope---

those fights---timing is what troubled floyd, not so much awkwardness--coz despite what you think about chop chop, he is a good technical fighter with goo timing--better than manny--and zab who is a sharper puncher--meaning, little to no awkwardness----manny is a dead man walking--he doesn't even know it yet--but he'll soon find out---

he started missing cotto a lot late in the fight, when cotto started to move around more--manny missed a lot and cotto didn't take advantage of it--floyd will not only take advantage of it, seeing how he is far superior to cotto in this regard, he will make manny pay for it a lot--manny's defense sucks---floyd is the most accurate fighter in boxing and has been for many years----just look at the compubox % all time record--floyd leads the way--and has lead the way for a long time--especially against southpaws--

and manny will be hit a lot---this we do know---

[Pullcounter]

right now, it all comes down to punch output. both pac and wifebeater have great footwork. wifebeater has better defense, but pac has better offense. pac's chin is better, but wifebeater is more shifty. what really separates them is pac's southpaw angles, his volume punching and his power.

yeah, wifebeater will hit pac with potshots and he might even hit pac with 1-2 combos... but pac will comeback with 5-6 combos from all kinds of ****ed up angles that wifebeater won't see coming.

wifebeater will make it 12 rounds if he takes no risks, but he will get outworked. it's that simple.

[LoadedWraps]

Manny would get hit alot. Tons.
Money is a defensive nightmare and it will take even Mara who I favor against both Pac and Money a few rounds to get a groove on him.
Pac will get tired and frustrated and will have to come with a different game plan if he hopes to disassemble Floyd. Money wins if it would go to decision no doubt.
His punch stats and tactical defense attest to that.
There are rumors circulating that he is "not what he used to be",
which will be the first thing a ***** would say if he ever did lose to Pac.
Even if that were the case, Pac's hand speed and unorthodox methods of attack should not warrant a favor on Pac's side in anyones book, even Roach should be putting his money on "Money" if the fight were to happen.
Not to say Manny doesn't stand a good chance, but we have yet to see anyone, truly break down and dismantle Floyd and if so many other great boxer's couldn't what makes you think Manny will? ( all ball juggling knob slobbering fanboy **** opinions aside)

[Stigma]

another ****** comparison---those fights that floyd so called struggled in were one sided fights---corley rocked floyd in round 4 only to be dropped later in the round where it wasn't counted--right after he did it--judah stepped on floyd's foot when he landed that right hook on him--didn't you watch it? that's why it wasn't scored a knockdown---coz floyd lost his balance due to the punch and having his foot stepped on---

manny has went down on bodyshots--clearly--and floyd digs to the body a hell of a lot when he fights southpaws---he folded corley in round 6, and rocked judah in round 4, 5, 6, 7, you get the point i hope---

those fights---timing is what troubled floyd, not so much awkwardness--coz despite what you think about chop chop, he is a good technical fighter with goo timing--better than manny--and zab who is a sharper puncher--meaning, little to no awkwardness----manny is a dead man walking--he doesn't even know it yet--but he'll soon find out---

he started missing cotto a lot late in the fight, when cotto started to move around more--manny missed a lot and cotto didn't take advantage of it--floyd will not only take advantage of it, seeing how he is far superior to cotto in this regard, he will make manny pay for it a lot--manny's defense sucks---floyd is the most accurate fighter in boxing and has been for many years----just look at the compubox % all time record--floyd leads the way--and has lead the way for a long time--especially against southpaws--

and manny will be hit a lot---this we do know---

You don't understand the comparison I'm making, obviously. The point I thought was clear enough was that less stellar fighters were able to score solid blows on Mayweather, but couldn't capitalize. Pacquiao is far more aggressive and is a better finisher. He's got better stamina too so he wouldn't gas out after a damaging combination.

I laughed at the 'Judah stepped on his foot' thing. It's called YouTube, use it. Zab has his foot outside of Floyd's.

And body shots... talk about living in the past. He's since survived body assaults by Barrera, Cotto, and Margarito, the last of which KO'd a big welter with a punch similar to those he connected with in the sixth round of their fight. When was Floyd's last bodyshot that floored someone?

[GrandpaBernard]

When was Floyd's last bodyshot that floored someone?

Floyd KO'd Mitchell with a str8 right hand to the liver. marg's livershot in the 6th round made manny change his tactics for the remaining half of the fight.

[Stigma]

Manny would get hit alot. Tons.
Money is a defensive nightmare and it will take even Mara who I favor against both Pac and Money a few rounds to get a groove on him.
Pac will get tired and frustrated and will have to come with a different game plan if he hopes to disassemble Floyd. Money wins if it would go to decision no doubt.
His punch stats and tactical defense attest to that.
There are rumors circulating that he is "not what he used to be",
which will be the first thing a ***** would say if he ever did lose to Pac.
Even if that were the case, Pac's hand speed and unorthodox methods of attack should not warrant a favor on Pac's side in anyones book, even Roach should be putting his money on "Money" if the fight were to happen.
Not to say Manny doesn't stand a good chance, but we have yet to see anyone, truly break down and dismantle Floyd and if so many other great boxer's couldn't what makes you think Manny will? ( all ball juggling knob slobbering fanboy **** opinions aside)

They will both of them be the best fighter the other has ever fought.

And I'm surprised how many people think Martinez hands down beats Floyd. You have two great counterpunchers. One is going to have to be the aggressor. Logic dictates it'd be the bigger man. Floyd CAN and will counter Martinez if they ever meet. That's a difficult fight for both, but I lean towards Mayweather, honestly.

[Canelo Phresh]

are you one of the guys who said may would never fight mosley?