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Pac Vs Sergio....if this fight ever happens (which I don't think it will)....can only be described in one word.....
!!!WAR!!!
!!!WAR!!!
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this thread was ****d and owned. shut it down, fellas
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LOL, right hand lead is a prime weapon vs southpaws, and incidentally right hand lead is the best punch in PBF's arsenal.Comment
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Allow me
Two words. Lead right.
What you're forgetting is that there are plenty of oppurtunities to counter Pacquiao. Pacquiao isn't the same one handed fighter he used to be. There's plenty of oppurtunities to counter Pacquiao's rights.Floyd's defensive style has huge technical advantages over orthodox fighters. The shoulder-roll defense works great versus right-handed fighters plus Floyd's immense footwork gets him into position to either defend or shoot counters on right-handed opponents.
But the advantages end with right-handed fighters and those same manuevers straight-up BACKFIRES against southpaws.
This is the only part of the post I agree with, but Mayweather's defense is more than just a shoulder roll.1. Shoulder-roll defense doesn't work against southpaws. In fact southpaws (like Pac and Sergio) would feast on the shoulder roll because the very angles with which the shoulder roll evades shots coming from right-handed fighters, are straight FREEBIE power shot angles against southpaws. Leaning to your right then pivoting to the left is a straight-up invitation for a straight left-hand. Not to mention a quick power-right hook to the body is also a gimme with a southpaw facing the shoulder-roll defense.
I disagree Pacquiao has one of the best uppercuts in boxing, but even if he did it won't do him much good. Mayweather's highgaurd isn't a typical. Mayweather has the ability to be in highguard and fight off of his back foot. When under attack, Mayweather can actually stay in highguard, pull back, and look for counters as seen in the Zab Judah fight.2. Floyd knows his shoulder-roll will backfire on him against either Pac or Sergio so his next best defensive tactic is to utilize a high-guard and implement a lot of footwork. Time and time again Pac has shown that he has one of the best uppercuts in boxing. Pac can shoot his uppercut while in long to midrange by utilizing angles and fast footwork.
*note: I'm not comparing Pac to Zab, but rather showing in example of different ways Mayweather can use his highguard.
The problem here is that Clottey wasn't trying to counter or fight off of his back foot. Clottey was in highguard all night, but decided to walk forward or stay stationary. Pacquiao will not be firing 3-5 punch combinations all night at Mayweather. Why? Because as I mentioned before, Mayweather will be countering off of his back foot. With Pacquiao being as open as he is, Mayweather will find more than just a few shots.Not to mention that if Floyd uses a high guard Pac will just keep him busy covering up by firing flurries. It is certain that Floyd will catch Pac with a few shots coming in but Pac will be firing 3-5 punch combinations from all angles from midrange. The fight will then be similar to the Clottey fight where Pac will pile up volume and win via volume and aggression. With a somewhat lopsided decision.
When this happens, Pacquiao will fall victim to what all of Mayweather's opponents fall victim to: Pacquiao will rethink what he's doing and try to adjust. Mayweather's power is severely underrated. Now before you bring up his KO ratio and the fact he didn't KO little Marquez, keep in mind that Mayweather was hitting him with single shots and never put his punches together. He has pop. It's why he was able to back up a strong chinned guy like Mosley.
This myth of walking though Mayweather's shots is just that. It's a myth. Not only does Mayweather have some pop (I'm not saying he's Julian Jackson here), but he is the most accurate puncher in compubox history. Mayweather's offensive accuracy combined with his world class defense is going to make Pacquiao rethink the punches he throws. While he readjusts, Mayweather will start to pick him apart and not give him time to think. By this time Pacquiao like many before him start to collapse mentally and begin to look lost in the ring.
When this happens Pacquiao's workrate will diminish and we'll start to here things from Lampley like "That is the fewest punches ever landed by Pacquiao in a single round in his entire career". With Pacquiao's workrate now gone, Mayweather will basically start to pop him at will and win a comfy decision.
Mayweather doesn't need to potshot or go all out. There are plenty of mistakes that Pacquiao will make that Floyd will capitalize on. Mayweather has the discipline, methodical and creative thinking, the patience, and the athletic ability to make Pacquiao fight his fight, not the other way around.3. Floyd may be ****** as a man and no honor and sense of dignity. He may be considered one of the lowest scum of a creature and the very definition of a coward. But you cannot call Floyd as moronic. As a boxer Floyd knows his boxing and the whole Mayweather clan knows that with Pac's style of speed, power, great footwork, chin, stamina.etc. The only way Floyd wins is if he goes all-out. The Mayweather clan knows that Floyd cannot win by pot-shotting because the CALIBER OF THE OPPONENT IS OF SUCH A LEVEL THAT THERE IS NO RECOURSE BUT TO GO TO WAR.
And that is what Floyd doesn't want.
Floyd will getting KO'd is less surprising than Floyd running out of gas. Again, he's the most accurate puncher around, so he conserves energy by not having to throw many punches. Against Pacquiao he won't have to use his legs. It seems your entire post is based on Floyd's defense. You're underrating his offense. Pac's bouncy style makes it easier for Mayweather to time him and Pacquiao will be eating right hands all night long because he's open for them.4. I would honestly say that a Pac-Floyd fight is a 50/50. A complete toss-up. But I vividly remember what Roach said regarding Floyd's legs being shot.
If that's the case then it changes everything. Floyd no longer having his legs will then be forced to make his stand and utilize less movement. If Floyd tries to use his legs a lot in a 12 round fight against Pac, he will run out of gas.
Another thing is Pacquiao likes to feel out in the first round. This is his best shot at getting to Floyd, because Mayweather will start to break Pac down from round 1 with those lead rights. You're also wrong about Mayweather not having a jab. He has a jab, but his lead right is so effective (and will be even moreso against a southpaw) that he doesn't really utilize it.
Your a and b are wrong. What has gotten Floyd to where he's at areIn the event that Roach is indeed right then Pac straight-out murders Floyd. And I mean a terrible beatdown worse than Margarito recieved.
One must understand that what has gotten Floyd this far are;
a. Defense - shoulder roll wont work against southpaws
b. Footwork - being "leg-shot" means Pac will pick him apart.
Without Floyd's legs being what they used to be Pac will just outright destroy him.
a. Conditioning - ****m Richardson has even mentioned this and he's right. Mayweather is a hard working athlete. Say what you want about his persona, but NOBODY works harder than Mayweather. He's a gym rat. He doesn't smoke or drink and always keeps himself in tip-top shape.
b. Mind - Mayweather's mind is his other great asset. He is able to figure out and out think any opponent. He's a master at psychological warfare before the fight and is a boxing genius.
As for Sergio M. Floyd will never fight Sergio because Sergio is a more complete boxer than Floyd. Not to mention he's bigger and a SOUTHPAW.
On a technical level Sergio is more technically sound and a lot harder to figure than Floyd.
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A. Floyd is the master of changing strategy on the fly, he is the fight games best ring general. If you think Floyd is going to use the Philly shell throughout the fight, then you haven't seen enough of Floyd to realize his defense is a lot more than just a shoulder roll.
B. How is Floyds legs shot? Roach made this claim after watching the Mosley fight where Floyd stood his ground in front of Mosley and became the aggressor.
As for Martinez being the more complete boxer and more technically sound? lol. No dice, Martinez although great, he is not the complete boxer that Floyd is. Martinez's defense is suspect at times. Only thing Martinez has on Floyd is his size and being a southpaw which helps, but people like to make it a bigger factor than what it really is.Last edited by p4p-champ; 12-03-2010, 11:10 AM.Comment
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If Floyd fights Martinez I'll eat my boxers.Comment
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I dont think its completely down too their style,i think he simply doesnt want it enoughComment
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