So is Pac an 8 division world champion or not?

[JDezi4]

I don't consider u a champion until u defend ur title. I consider him an 8 time BELT HOLDER, but not a 8 time CHAMPION.

But that's just me.

[ThunderWolf]

According to the average *******, and Freddy Roach, nobody will ever be able to be "8 division" world champ again.


Yet he didn't win the title at 54', he won it at 50'.

Now he's JMW champ because of some creative rulemaking by Arum, but now he can't fight anyone at 154?


So is he 8 division champ or not?

This is worse than when people said he was LW champ, or WW champ at 145'.

In reality, isn't he more like 4 division champ?

Lets be honest with ourselves here.

You know nothing about boxing and its rules and history. Say that in front of ATG Sugar Ray Leonard, Hagler, etc. and they will say you are a shame.

[Bastian Loc]

You know nothing about boxing and its rules and history. Say that in front of ATG Sugar Ray Leonard, Hagler, etc. and they will say you are a shame.

Do you think Sugar Ray would've ducked Martinez?


Or fought David Diaz?

I think you're the one insulting Sugar Ray here, not me.

[Bring It On]

So... you were never a champion if you don't defend your title at least once? Is that what you're trying to say?

[ThunderWolf]

I don't consider u a champion until u defend ur title. I consider him an 8 time BELT HOLDER, but not a 8 time CHAMPION.

But that's just me.

And for your information, the lineal titles MP won and you would prefer not to count are not belts, it is even greater than the Ring Magazine Belts and Council belts.

Yes, you keep your opinion to yourself because you lack knowledge.

[Bastian Loc]

And for your information, the lineal titles MP won and you would prefer not to count are not belts, it is even greater than the Ring Magazine title and Council belts.

Yes, you keep your opinion to yourself because you lack knowledge.

Barrera, JMM, and Hatton.

Was ledwaba "lineal" or was he just a titleholder.

Am I missing anyone else here?

[jrosales13]

Do you think Sugar Ray would've ducked Martinez?


Or fought David Diaz?

I think you're the one insulting Sugar Ray here, not me.

Well SRL was a WW and Diaz was a LW...

So yea is quite obvious that fight would not have happen.

[Bastian Loc]

So... you were never a champion if you didn't fight at least one title defense? Is that what you're trying to say?

No, I'm saying he fought for a jmw title below the limit, then claimed he's a jmw champion and now that a jmw wants to fight him people are saying he's too small to fight a jmw.


Its pretty absurd.

[jrosales13]

Barrera, JMM, and Hatton.

Was ledwaba "lineal" or was he just a titleholder.

Am I missing anyone else here?

Ledwaba was a title holder but Sasakul was the lineal champ at 112.

[ThunderWolf]

Do you think Sugar Ray would've ducked Martinez?


Or fought David Diaz?

I think you're the one insulting Sugar Ray here, not me.

If you didn`t know SRL won two weight title belts in just one fight, and that SRL fought with Hagler at a catchweight, then you better catch up on your reading. Other ATGs did this as well at the start of boxing history.