If Pac and Floyd don't fight, the only way Floyd surpasses Pac is w/ a MW Title.

[Ray*]

I would actually not care anymore. If Pacquiao can be praised for it, then Floyd could do it too. Weight drain Martinez. Make him come in at a weight you think he'll be weight drained, let's say 152.1. I mean Floyd is fighting the bigger guy right? And he's too small for MW, so why not make it even? Fight the bigger guy but don't let him come in at a full weight limit. Penalize him $1Mill for every pound overweight at the weigh in. Who cares? As long as he's fighting such a dangerous opponent. "We just want a fight". Right?

Boxing media are a joke, I really dont want to get into this whole Pac debate but american boxing media are a joke, Maybe all boxers should follow the Pacquiao line of selecting opponents.

Seem to work for him..

[The Gambler1981]

pac can easily make 140.

the little **** can make 135 if he just tries.

Why bother with that noise though, sure he could but why put himself through that when JMM would eat glass to fight him one more time if he would do that **** what is seven pounds.

JMM doesn't care about such things, which is why he is gangster.

[jrosales13]

Yeah, he can still accomplish quite a bit. Just don't know if he's motivated too. But if he did...and beat a Martinez or Williams (instead of some bull**** Clottey/Margarito match), I'd have to give him his just due. Not like I don't already--like I said, that Mosley win was quite impressive and brought him back into my good graces. That's a huge win late in his career. One more means he is one of a kind.

That Mosley win IMO made him an ATG,

He was borderline before that. But, that win was impressive.

[brick wall]

if pac-floyd doesn't happen, floyd has to take on bigger challenges at higher weights and win to catch up with pac that's for sure. but why would he even do that? all he needs is to fight pac and if he wins he gets to enhance his resume big time, cement his legacy as one of the atg's and laugh his way to the bank with a fat check.

[sigrab jr]

i think Pac is greater by a solid margin. I think only Roy Jones is the only active fighter that has a claim to be greater than Pac. But, I would personally put Pac slightly ahead of Roy.

But, if Floyd beats the winner of Williams-Martinez at any weight, he will be on the Roy/Pac level of greatness. Possibly surpassing them depending on how he wins.

I can agree with you on this. As long as all fighters are treated the same, there's really nothing to argue about.

[jrosales13]

Why bother with that noise though, sure he could but why put himself through that when JMM would eat glass to fight him one more time if he would do that **** what is seven pounds.

JMM doesn't care about such things, which is why he is gangster.

But, JMM was asking for 50/50 in New Years though, so I don't know how much of a gangster he is...But, dude does have my respect.

However, above 135? He just can't hang with Pac. No credit for Pac if he fights him above 135. That would be 3 tune-ups in a row.

[Ray*]

I personally would like to see it at 135 and nothing higher. I don't give JMM any chance at beating Pac at a higher weight than 135.

However, at 135 it will be interesting enough that I would give JMM a good chance.

To me JMM is not going to be elite at 140.

140 should be a good weight for the fight, Pac should be unhealth at 135 IMO, Its easier/better to go up than to drain yourself, If JMM goes up to 140 for the fight he should be fine.

[jrosales13]

Floyd is beyond Pac....thats like saying Jordan will never surpass lebron..lmao..it was done before he got started chump

Blah.........

[jrosales13]

You're the only reasonable Pac fan I know - one who just calls it like it is and doesn't let his fandom get in the way of logic. Bless you, man. This whole forum should dedicate a day to you, a real American Genius.

[AKATheMack]

Bloating fighters or weight drain fighters. Pick your poison. Oh i'll pick Pacquiao just because

Cotto lost 1 lb from his previous fight and Margarito gained 3lbs from his career best weight. Hatton came up 7lbd and JMM came up 12 1/2lbs. I think Cotto and Marg provided more of a challenge for Pac than Hatton or JMM did to Floyd.