Pacquiao not only ranked higher P4P than Mayweather, now ranked higher at 147 too....

[Dave Rado]

how do you know that?if anything your body should feel good because your not workin that hard to try to make a certain weight

Most boxers disagree, which is why they go into saunas to make weight.

[letsgobrady]

You said before that he shouldn't be ranked at all because he'd never fought at Welterweight. You seem to have changed your tune now. If he had never fought at Welterweight, he wouldn't be ranked at Welterweight.

But he wouldn't have risen in rank if it hadn't been for the facts that:

1) The Ring considered and still consider Floyd and Pac to be more or less joint #1s, so a very small change in circumstances can cause them to switch positions.

2) He fought that fight as a Welterweight; and beating a given fighter when you're a Welterweight and your opponent is a Jnr Middleweight is obviously more impressive than beating the same fighter when you both weigh under 147.

how is that more impressive?
this is the thing with pacfans bigger is better and thats all that matters but if you watch mma forrest griffin was 15lbs bigger than anderson silva and how did that fight play out?bigger doesn't mean better and honestly margarito has not done anything to prove he is atleast a good bigman he just a big ****** man

[letsgobrady]

Most boxers disagree, which is why they go into saunas to make weight.

what do u mean?i'm sayin like for example marquez fighting floyd,why would marquez have to get in a sauna samething for manny in the margo fight

[Dave Rado]

that's even worst..lol. Beat cotto and then go and beat the guy cotto just beat. C'mon man, lets be serious!

You were saying Cotto wasn't a top Welterweight because he beat Jennings and then lost to Marg. You conveniently forgot that since losing to Marg, he had beaten the #3 ranked fighter in the division, having beaten several other top Welters prior to the Marg defeat.

And Clottey was still ranked #4 even after losing to Cotto. So Pac not only beat, but completely shut out, the #2 ranked fighter in the division, followed by the #4 ranked fighter in the division.

In any case, Pac got his #1 Ring ranking immediately after the Cotto fight, so the Pac-Clottey fight is irrelevant.

[Dave Rado]

what do u mean?i'm sayin like for example marquez fighting floyd,why would marquez have to get in a sauna samething for manny in the margo fight

If Marquez had weighed in for that fight at under 135, which he didn't, and if he had beaten Floyd, which he didn't, then it would certainly have enhanced his standing as a Lightweight.

But my point was that most fighters boil down to well under their natural weight for the weigh-in, whereas Pac doesn't.

[Dave Rado]

bigger doesn't mean better

Yeah, let's just abolish weight classes completely. Calderon vs. Vitali anyone?

[letsgobrady]

Yeah, let's just abolish weight classes completely. Calderon vs. Vitali anyone?

of course use an extreme comparison to make a point it just makes your point mean nothing, calderon bein probably the smallest fighter and vitali bein the biggest but i guess thats what people do when they don't have a logical rebuttal

[cortdawg25]

you said before that he shouldn't be ranked at all because he'd never fought at welterweight. You seem to have changed your tune now. If he had never fought at welterweight, he wouldn't be ranked at welterweight.

But he wouldn't have risen in rank if it hadn't been for the facts that:

1) the ring considered and still consider floyd and pac to be more or less joint #1s, so a very small change in circumstances can cause them to switch positions.

2) he fought that fight as a welterweight; and beating a given fighter when you're a welterweight and your opponent is a jnr middleweight is obviously more impressive than beating the same fighter when you both weigh under 147.

no i didn't, u misunderstanding me. I said he shouldn't be ranked #1.

As far as what he weighed at weigh in shouldn't matter when it comes to rankings.

That means i could weigh 135 at the weigh in but fight at jr mw and be ranked at lightweight. That doesn't make sense at all.

If you are to rise in the rankings in any division you must:
1. Fight at that weight and defeat a top rank fighter at that weight above you

2. Or someone ahead of you loses

[cortdawg25]

you were saying cotto wasn't a top welterweight because he beat jennings and then lost to marg. You conveniently forgot that since losing to marg, he had beaten the #3 ranked fighter in the division, having beaten several other top welters prior to the marg defeat.

And clottey was still ranked #4 even after losing to cotto. So pac not only beat, but completely shut out, the #2 ranked fighter in the division, followed by the #4 ranked fighter in the division.

In any case, pac got his #1 ring ranking immediately after the cotto fight, so the pac-clottey fight is irrelevant.

dave, u just said that he got #1 after clottey, which is it?

And i never said cotto wasn't a top welter. I said that manny shouldn't be ranked #1 by just beating cotto or clottey for that matter.

There is no justifying this, this is some bull

[Left Hook Tua]

Who was ranked at WW, without fighting a top WW?

after his 1-2 year layoff , didn't floyd get ranked #3 at WW after beating jmm?