Where is Manny Pacquiao in your Top ATG list?????

[jpunieves]

He never beat champions at their weight,they had to be weight drained everytime so he's basically a nobody.What makes it worse was his failure to do random blood tests and who cares about such fighters.To me he's not a great fighter,I rank him alongside Marquez

now that exposes you to be a total idiot...

we all know marquez is good, but rank him alongside marquez? hahah funny...

rank pacquiao, marquez and floyd mayweather in your list... please include all boxers above mayweather. i want to know your boxing expertise.

[Shaun Oliver]

I don't have a list but if I did I recon he would be somewhere between 20-25. This fight moved him up a notch or two imo

[wazaa.]

Manny is top 10 for me. If he beats Floyd he becomes top 5.

[The Surgeon]

I hate doin lists but u have to say now, they guys the real deal and its time to admit he's high up the ATG ladder

[RockyB]

Jones rank higher than Hopkins IMO. I just don't see how Hopkins can rank higher than him.

However, I can agree that Jones or Holyfield can rank higher than Pac on a personal list.

I agree with this, Jones is higher than Hopkins. i think Pac and Jones are very close to each other. maybe Pac is a little higher.

Holyfield though. he has a lot of great wins. but i dont think he is as high as Pac. he has accomplished a lot, but pac has accomplished more.

[fabie]

1. Muhammad Ali
2. Sugar Ray Robinson
3. Joe Louis
4. Henry Armstrong
5. Willie Pep
6. Manny Pacquiao
7. Roberto Duran
8. Mike Tyson
9. Julio Cesar Chavez
10. Rocky Marciano

Ok, at least these are the people I "know" with my limited knowledge of who's who. I generally know the boxers but for now this is what I feel and could even change every minute. But at least I got Manny in the top 10.

I would think that if there's a SKILL/TECHNICAL EXPERTISE in terms of finesse boxing or the sweet science of boxing, then I would think that:

1. Muhammad Ali
2. Floyd Mayweather , Jr.
3. Willie Pep
4. Sugar Ray Leonard
5. Roy Jones
6. Pernell Whitaker

Can't think of anyone right now...on my second list....

ok atleast you're being honest....those the top fighters you know

what a horrible ****ing list,

but NO THANKS for trying.

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This meant it will be subjective at large and depending on YOUR choices and knowledge.

I put Muhammad Ali on no.1 because I saw him in Thrilla in Manila at the age of 7 when my father brought me to watch the fight against Joe Frazier. It was my intro to boxing.

This led me to study JEET KUNE DO (Bruce Lee's art) and various Kali (Filipino Martial Arts) and other Kung Fu (Wing Chun). I am now practicing Tai Chi for meditations.

So my main interest are their skills, evasions, footwork, the jab, the sweet science of pugilism. I've watched many films also.

And so yes, my knowledge is limited and I am only responding to what I feel based on my own experiences and studies.

[MaD RoBoT]

shit changes man, that's how boxing it is today .

I would love to see Manny against Mosley, that will be Pac's REAL test for Floyd.

pray it won't happen

have mercy on his soul

[Mega Eggot]

This is a repost of pejevan's over at ESB (I know, I know, ESB of all ****'n places). But it's still food for thought:

"Numbers Don't Lie


There are times when we like an athlete so much that we want things to happen that are almost impossible for him/her to achieve. And like a destiny, this happened to Manny Pacquiao. He won a historic seven world titles in seven weight divisions; four of which were lineal titles and all of them came from a knock out win against the world champion and claimant. Here are some interesting statistics why Manny is such a legendary fighter. And like the saying goes; "Some men lie, some women lie, but numbers don't".


Elite Club of Multiple Division World Champions w/ at least 4:
7 - Manny Pacquiao (112, 122, 126, 130, 135, 140, 147)*
6 - Oscar DeLa Hoya (130, 135, 140, 147, 154, 160)
5 - Thomas Hearns (147, 154, 160, 168, 175)
5 - Sugar Ray Leonard (147, 154, 160, 168, 175)
5 - Floyd Mayweather Jr. (130, 135, 140, 147, 154)
4 - Roberto Duran (135, 147, 154, 160)
4 - Pernell Whitaker (135, 140, 147, 154)
4 - Leo Gomez (105, 108, 112, 115)
4 - Roy Jones Jr. (160, 168, 175, 200+)

Elite Club of Multiple Awardee of Ring Figther of the Year w/ at least 3:
5 - Muhhamad Ali - 1963, 1972, 1974, 1975, 1978
4 - Joe Louis - 1936, 1938, 1939, 1941
3 - Joe Frazier - 1967, 1970, 1971
3 - Evander Holyfield - 1987, 1996, 1997
3 - Manny Pacquiao - 2006, 2008, 2009*

Elite Club of Multiple Awardee of BWAA Figther of the Year w/ at least 3:
3 - Muhhamad Ali - 1965, 1974, 1975
3 - Joe Frazier - 1969, 1971, 1975
3 - Sugar Ray Leonard - 1976, 1979, 1981
3 - Evander Holyfield - 1990, 1996, 1997
3 - Manny Pacquiao - 2006, 2008, 2009*



Comparing Manny Pacquiao among the Ring top-10 ATG Fighters:

Career W-L-D Record:
Joe Louis =========== 66-3-0 ======= 0.957
Willie Pep =========== 229-11-1 ===== 0.950
Muhhamad Ali ======== 56-5-0 ======= 0.918
Manny Pacquiao ====== 51-3-2 ======= 0.911 (4th)
Sugar Ray Leonard ==== 36-3-1 ======= 0.900
Pernell Whitaker ====== 40-4-1 ======= 0.889
Sugar Ray Robinson === 175-19-6 ===== 0.875
Harry Greb ========== 260-20-18 ==== 0.872
Roberto Duran ======= 103-16-0 ===== 0.866
Benny Leonard ======= 184-19-11 ==== 0.860
Henry Armstrong ===== 149-21-10 ==== 0.828

KO Percentage:
Joe Louis ============= 75.36%
Manny Pacquiao ======== 67.86% (2nd)
Sugar Ray Leonard ====== 62.50%
Muhhamad Ali ========== 60.66%
Roberto Duran ========= 58.85%
Henry Armstrong ======= 56.11%
Sugar Ray Robinson ===== 54.00%
Pernell Whitaker ======== 36.96%
Willie Pep ============= 26.97%
Benny Leonard ========= N/A
Harry Greb ============ N/A

Peak Record:
Harry Greb ============ 258-18-18
Benny Leonard ========= 184-18-11
Willie Pep ============= 134-1-1
Sugar Ray Robinson ===== 128-1-2
Henry Armstrong ======= 108-12-8
Roberto Duran ========= 72-1-0
Joe Louis ============= 58-1-0
Muhhamad Ali ========== 55-2-0
Manny Pacquiao ======== 51-3-2 (9th)
Pernell Whitaker ======== 40-1-1
Sugar Ray Leonard ====== 35-1-1

Number of HOF'er Defeated:
Harry Greb ------------------ 13
Norfolk, Tunney, Blackburn, Dillon, Flowers, Walker, Loughran, Miske,
Levinskey, M. Gibbons, Rosenbloom, Slattery, T. Gibbons
Sugar Ray Robinson -------- 10
Armstrong, LaMotta, Fullmer, Gavilan, Basilio, Graziano,
Zivic, Turpin, Angott, Olson
Henry Armstrong ----------- 10
Wolgast, Ross, Angott, Ambers, Jenkins, Zivic,
Montanez, Bass, Wright, Arizmendi
Joe Louis -------------------- 8
Schmeling, Sharkey, Conn, Walcott, Baer, Braddock,
Lewis, Bivins
Muhhamad Ali --------------- 7
Foster, Moore, Frazier, Foreman, Liston, Patterson, Norton
Benny Leonard -------------- 7
Tendler, Kansas, Dundee, Ritchie, Britton,
Kilbane, Welsh
Manny Pacquiao ------------- 6 (7th)
Barrera, Morales, Marquez, DeLa Hoya, Cotto, Hatton
*Assuming all makes it in IBHOF
Sugar Ray Leonard --------- 4
Duran, Benitez, Hagler, Hearns
Roberto Duran -------------- 4
Leonard, Cuevas, Palomino, Buchanan
*De Jesus & Marcel have strong chances though
Willie Pep ------------------- 3
Saddler, Ortiz, Wright
Pernell Whitaker ------------ 2
Nelson, Ramirez

Average of Opponent's Record:
Ranking by Percentage:
Muhhamad Ali ========== 33-5-1 ======= 0.850
Pernell Whitaker ======== 28-4-1 ======= 0.850
Sugar Ray Leonard ====== 32-5-1 ======= 0.840
Manny Pacquiao ======== 24-4-1 ======= 0.830(4th)
Roberto Duran ========= 21-5-1 ======== 0.780
Joe Louis ============= 40-10-3 ======= 0.755
Sugar Ray Robinson ===== 39-14-4 ======= 0.684
Henry Armstrong ======= 40-14-6 ====== 0.667
Willie Pep ============= N/A
Harry Greb ============ N/A
Benny Leonard ========= N/A

Average of Opponent's Record:
Ranking by No. of Wins minus No. of Losses:
Joe Louis ============= 40-10-3
Muhhamad Ali ========== 33-5-1
Sugar Ray Leonard ====== 32-5-1
Henry Armstrong ======= 40-14-6
Sugar Ray Robinson ===== 39-14-4
Pernell Whitaker ======== 28-4-1
Manny Pacquiao ======== 24-4-1(7th)
Roberto Duran ========= 21-5-1
Willie Pep ============= N/A
Harry Greb ============ N/A
Benny Leonard ========= N/A

Pacquiao's Other Statistics:
World Title Fights Record: 13-1-2
Number of Defeated World Champions: 12
Longest Win streak w/o a draw: 15
First Held a World Title at age: 19
Last Held a World Title at age: 31 (present)
Never fought a 0-0-0 fighter"

[hugh grant]

Just outside the top 10. If he beats Floyd he will be top 5 imo.

Pac dont have to beat Floyd to get higher up the ATG. Pacs resume stands alone. FLoyd brings different things to the table but Pac dont need floyd.

Who is that in your sig i dont recognise him.

[Sonic Flood]

top 10...if Pac vs Fraud happens good, if not no stress he is not obliged.Floyd can suck his d!ck and retire.If Pac retires now he'll definitely rank HIGHER than Fraud on the ATG