Quote: "Manny Pacquiao is great. Marquez is just as great."

[Anti~Jalandoni]

JMM is a way better boxer then manny skills wise imo but manny is a bigger puncher and way more exciting fighter to watch!!! I do agree they are both greats but even though i like JMM better id say Manny has the edge not by much though!!!

WTF skill wise are you talking about.....Its clear that Pac has evolve...

[loui_ludwig]

In terms of fighting each other, yes. Both fights could have gone either way.

In terms of resume without fighting each other, Pac resume is better.

[loui_ludwig]

thats b.c pac is a bigboy. not some small guy fighting big boys. should have been in the "big boy" classes, long ago. and not fighting at catchweights

How do you define a "big boy". Was it because at lightwieght and jr. lightweight, Pac's fight night weight is 145-148. Even if he is fighting at WW and jr. WW, he is still outweigh by his opponents during fight night.

[jrosales13]

JMM "outboxed" Pacquiao in both fights. That sounds a lot better.

Again first fight he did but with the point system it was still a fight that could of gone either way.

2nd fight I don't think he "outboxed" he probably won the fight but not "outboxed" him ala what Whitaker did to Oscar did type of outboxing. The rematch was still a pretty close competitve fight that could of gone either way.

If you think JMM won both fights, I will not argue I can see that. Because, it were close fights that could of gone either way. JMM does have a case for winning both. However, Pac has the same case for winning both. It was close no robbery at all.

Whitaker and Quartey have more of an argument of getting screwed against Oscar that JMM has against Pac. Kotelnik has more of an argument of getting screwed against Alexander than what JMM has against Pac.

[JDezi4]

Considering how long ago it was said, it's kind of irrelevant if we agree or not. At the time, Pac beat a dehydrated De La Hoya. While Marquez proved how skilled of a boxer he was by KOing Diaz in a war. At the time, it was a safe thing to say.

[IronDanHamza]

Again first fight he did but with the point system it was still a fight that could of gone either way.

2nd fight I don't think he "outboxed" he probably won the fight but not "outboxed" him ala what Whitaker did to Oscar did type of outboxing. The rematch was still a pretty close competitve fight that could of gone either way.

If you think JMM won both fights, I will not argue I can see that. Because, it were close fights that could of gone either way. JMM does have a case for winning both. However, Pac has the same case for winning both. It was close no robbery at all.

Whitaker and Quartey have more of an argument of getting screwed against Oscar that JMM has against Pac. Kotelnik has more of an argument of getting screwed against Alexander than what JMM has against Pac.

I agree it wasn't the worst robbery of all time, not even close. But at the same time i thought Marquez won the fight quite clearly and i'm adamant had they had a rubber match directly after the fight in 2008 Marquez wins it convicingly. Believe it or not if they both were still fighting at 130 but were the exact same fighters ability wise i would still favour Marquez in the rubber match today.

[JOM'S]

Jim Lampley said that after the 1st Juan Diaz fight. I agree, but i wonder what the forums thoughts are on this.

do you agree? and why?

let's make this a good discussions with valid arguments.

probably if this poll was made at the time, this would have been closer, but as it is now PAC has pulled out form the pack (MAB, EM & JMM)

[paulsinghnl]

LOL at this you really think that Marquez could beat Dela Hoya...You have underestimated him, Pac was just faster than DLH but those Punches were still dangerous ..coming from a natural middleweight

Dude, i'd go so far as saying that Vic Darchinyan could've beaten that De La Hoya, the dude was totally weight drained, are we still having this discussion?

[paulsinghnl]

So... 34% of you here think JMM is arguably a top 20 ATG?

hmmm.. good argument, Pacquiao is posted up high on that board. i think if JMM got the same chances as Manny, he'd still end up a little lower, but not far behind. but then i'd kind of be saying that JMM is better than Julio Cesar Chavez right?

i don't know, good post.

[paulsinghnl]

last bump up guys, i promise. hehehe