Quote: "Manny Pacquiao is great. Marquez is just as great."

[joelab75]

did anyone really think Manny and Marquez are really equal? Manrquez' name neevr mentioned in any comparison of one of the ATG's but here in boxing scene 44 were voted they were as great. none of the experts and even writers wouldnt even dare compare the two. just a plain ****** comparison though. im not Marquez hater but Morales and Barrera was way better than any point of JMM's career.

[paulsinghnl]

did anyone really think Manny and Marquez are really equal? Manrquez' name neevr mentioned in any comparison of one of the ATG's but here in boxing scene 44 were voted they were as great. none of the experts and even writers wouldnt even dare compare the two. just a plain ****** comparison though. im not Marquez hater but Morales and Barrera was way better than any point of JMM's career.

how so? The Pacquiao that beat both guys and Marquez that beat Barrera, be it he was slightly older, Marquez and Pacquiao could keep up with each other. i would say Marquez is technically more skilled and/or intelligent in the ring for adapting to his opponent.

[joelab75]

so the reason was because they had 2 really close fights right? so they were equally great? We all should know by now Manny's best division is 140 lbs and above. Manny fought Marquez in his best division and came out on top. Manny can keep up with Marquez best division but there is no way Marquez can keep up with Manny in 140 lbs and up which is Manny's ideal fighting weight. Manny will murder JMM in 144 lbs. thats the reason Manny is way GREATER than JMM. Manny had won titles and lineal titles in 130 lbs and below and still showing greatness above that weight. you cannot say the same to Marquez.

what was Marquez best win?

[paulsinghnl]

we were having this discussion earlier in the thread too: it's not how Marquez won, but rather how he conducts himself in every fight. he's an intelligent fighter and always finds a way to attack the opponent. he's a small LW compared to Manny who's turned out to carry the weight well upwards. still Marquez was able to pressure Mayweather and hit him with some good shots, without Mayweather hitting the demanded weight, and being bigger, stronger and faster than Marquez.

Manny being able to carry the weight upwards well doesn't mean that p4p manny's greater, that's not decided by weight.

The argument could be that Marquez just has the style and the answer for pacquiao's style, because he just is that kind of an intelligent counterpuncher whereas Pacquiao loves to brawl more with his physical gifts.

Marquez being the smaller guy, coming back after 3 knockdowns to earn a draw and the next fight being the controversial split decision, still shows that they can be equals in greatness to me.

on a side note: a lot of it has to do with Beristain, both positive and negative. if he could've had better management, the third fight could've been the deciding factor by now.

[joelab75]

every man has its kryptonite. Marquez is no way as great as Manny. its just happened that JMM was his kryptonite. but look what happen? it was a draw and a loss. If JMM was so great he would have battered Manny on his best weight division right? i think you downplaying Manny's skill. how in the H E L L he could keep up with JMM, Barrera and Morales if he was just another fast hand with power? thats the reason Manny was so great. he had to go up a division to fight Barrera who was regarded a top 3 P4P and the best in is weight class.

[JDezi4]

every man has its kryptonite. Marquez is no way as great as Manny. its just happened that JMM was his kryptonite. but look what happen? it was a draw and a loss. If JMM was so great he would have battered Manny on his best weight division right? i think you downplaying Manny's skill. how in the H E L L he could keep up with JMM, Barrera and Morales if he was just another fast hand with power? thats the reason Manny was so great. he had to go up a division to fight Barrera who was regarded a top 3 P4P and the best in is weight class.

Back then, that was all he had.

[joelab75]

Back then, that was all he had.

thats what im saying! back then that was all he had but still kept up against the best fighters in a lower class. If Manny had everything he would have been better that Robinson, Armstrong, Ali etc etc. but to say Manny has no or little skills is just pure hate.

[paulsinghnl]

hahaha i never said that. if i said Manny and Marquez are just as great, that means manny is great too.

the way Manny is more of a brawler, with fast explosive hands, great foot movement and can find your spots - on the other side of the coin is Marquez with super accurate punches and solving the puzzle of his opponent every fight. What Pacquiao added in his latter years was size, better defense, better foot movement. i still feel that if Marquez could deal with Mayweather, he could also deal with Pacquiao.

let me be clear: Pacquiao and Mayweather both are greats in the sport of boxing. i'm not meddling with that discussion hahaha.

Pacquiao and Marquez both have the heart of a lion and they are EQUALS.

[FloydTBE]

I agree ...

[joelab75]

hahaha i never said that. if i said Manny and Marquez are just as great, that means manny is great too.

the way Manny is more of a brawler, with fast explosive hands, great foot movement and can find your spots - on the other side of the coin is Marquez with super accurate punches and solving the puzzle of his opponent every fight. What Pacquiao added in his latter years was size, better defense, better foot movement. i still feel that if Marquez could deal with Mayweather, he could also deal with Pacquiao.

let me be clear: Pacquiao and Mayweather both are greats in the sport of boxing. i'm not meddling with that discussion hahaha.

Pacquiao and Marquez both have the heart of a lion and they are EQUALS.

i dont think head to head match up could make you both equals though. thats just a plain wrong assessment. Manny and JMM have different set of skills but it doesnt mean JMM is more skilled. but anyways i just dont agree that JMM and Manny are of EQUAL OF GREATNESS. i believe 99% of boxing writers and boxing experts would agree. so my answer is a big NO. JMM was a very good boxer though.