Comments Thread For: HBO Pres Unsure Why Mayweather Turned Pacquiao Down

[GRUSTLER]

No, I and others completely disagree with your interpretation of those articles - we didn't ignore them at all. But there is no point in continuing the discussion as it has descended into shouting, name calling, patronising statements, boring repetitiveness, and a dialogue of the deaf.

Then why don't you guys just answer the questions?
All those links are credible so how can they be ignored in
a discussion that warrants them? I noticed on here that
a lot of people (mainly Pac fans) talk alot of **** about
Floyd and other fighters and never have anything to back
it up that is documented. Only love for their fighter, which
is cool but it's not cool to act like when a person presents
evidence in a debate to back up their posts, that they should
be ignored. Most people on here post on pure emotion and
opinions and never no cold hard facts. the minute someone
presents cold hard facts they should be ignored because it's
more convenient for them? BULL****. what interpretations?
How can he twist facts that are documented? Arum lied for
the most part and people (Pac fans mostly) are blaming Floyd
for BOTH fights not happening, which is not right and exact.
Their both repsonsible BUT I think Mostly Arum put on the
biggest serade and the fans of boxing ate it up because of
their PERSONAL dislike for Floyd. Arum has been putting
blame on everyone else as long as I can remember.

[GRUSTLER]

Fair enough.

But it is funny that you actually admit that Arum lied.....
and yet you still think that somehow they managed to squeeze in a genuine "negotiation" inbetween the expiration of Arum's bull**** deadline, and his conference call the following day.

That would actually have to be the most amazing negotiation in history.

And it was all done by a man who does not actually represent either of the fighters, he did it over the phone, and he did it all in less than one day LMFAO.

Fine.....

I think that 2+2=4..... and you think that 2+2=5.....

Let's leave it there then.

Your motives are clear.

Since these guys can't discredit you they rather mark you as a "spammer"
or someone not "making no sense" or "going too hard about old news" but
not realizing that their the ones that started this whole debate and now
leave like your a maniac poster when in actuality, all your doing is stating
your case by presenting facts. Which is something the majority of them
don't do but just talk from personal opinions and stand points, without
proving their claims.

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Since these guys can't discredit you they rather mark you as a "spammer"
or someone not "making no sense" or "going too hard about old news" but
not realizing that their the ones that started this whole debate and now
leave like your a maniac poster when in actuality, all your doing is stating
your case by presenting facts. Which is something the majority of them
don't do but just talk from personal opinions and stand points, without
proving their claims.

That's the feeling that I'm getting GRUS.....

And, nobody has addressed any of the issues that I outlined.

People see what they want to see, and people hear what they want to hear, even if there is contradictory evidence staring them right in the face.....
I wonder why that is? You may have touched on that in your previous post.

FACT: Arum lied, that is not even debatable.

There were dozens of articles quoting Bob Arum as publicly stating that he was either working on a proposal to present to GBP, or that he had presented it to GBP and was waiting for a response. I just quoted the one off the top.

But, maybe like me you were actually interested in that fight? So, you can probably remember that just as well as I can?

Who knows why those other guys are on here arguing now? Because, if they can't remember Bob Arum stating on numerous occasions that he was negotiating with GBP, then they can't have been that interested in the fight way back then

Although, I suspect that most of them know alright.

I also suspect that many of them didn't actually read my "spam" very carefully.

You know old.... "yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth" Arum?

Well, he actually did that.

The article in the first link is dated 16th July, where a "deadline" that Arum negotiated with GBP is about to expire..... and the article in the second link is dated 17th July, where Arum admits that he never even spoke with GBP.....

Aint he just a card? LMAO.

How could there possibly have been a genuine "negotiation" ?

Arum lied, and his conference call was less than 24-hours later !!

That is why 6 people, belonging to 3 completely different business organisations, each of those people having first-hand information - 4 of whom would be ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL to that fight being made - ALL, categorically stated that..... "there were no official negotiations" !!

BTW bro, a lot of people know what's going on. And, I bet that both Ellerbe and Schaefer have made sure that Greenburg is up to speed now.

Although, it is uncanny that a man in his position could find himself manipulated like that. Let's just assume that Greenburg knows a little more about the business of boxing than he did a few weeks ago, and leave it there. Otherwise, there will undoubtedly be "conspiracy theorist" accusations flying around the room

Then again, I assume that everybody here realises that Greenburg has just as much to gain from this as Arum? Neither HBO nor Top Rank have any control over Mayweather, and Manny is a money-making machine. Greenburg got "lucky", because now Manny can make him lots more money before he has to risk his marketability against Mayweather.

This is an interesting article, although mostly only the direct quote from Ellerbe can be rated as first-hand. Funny prediction though....
http://www.mlive.com/mayweather/inde...e_over_ma.html

And it supports the Marley's revelations, after speaking with his contacts at Top Rank.....
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/4...before-ellerbe

There is heaps of stuff on the internet, just google "Arum lied"

Here is a couple of links just off the first page.....

http://ringsidereport.com/?p=3897

http://www.nowboxing.com/2010/07/bob...atement/12120/

http://insidefights.com/2010/06/14/e...pacquiao-bout/

http://teampilipinas.info/2010/07/fl...sponds-to.html

http://www.************.com/2010/07/...m-blood-tests/

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/4...before-ellerbe

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THERE WERE NO " NEGOTIATIONS " !!

SUCKERS !!

[ALG United]

That's the feeling that I'm getting GRUS.....

And, nobody has addressed any of the issues that I outlined.

People see what they want to see, and people hear what they want to hear, even if there is contradictory evidence staring them right in the face.....
I wonder why that is? You may have touched on that in your previous post.

FACT: Arum lied, that is not even debatable.

There were dozens of articles quoting Bob Arum as publicly stating that he was either working on a proposal to present to GBP, or that he had presented it to GBP and was waiting for a response. I just quoted the one off the top.

But, maybe like me you were actually interested in that fight? So, you can probably remember that just as well as I can?

Who knows why those other guys are on here arguing now? Because, if they can't remember Bob Arum stating on numerous occasions that he was negotiating with GBP, then they can't have been that interested in the fight way back then

Although, I suspect that most of them know alright.

I also suspect that many of them didn't actually read my "spam" very carefully.

You know old.... "yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth" Arum?

Well, he actually did that.

The article in the first link is dated 16th July, where a "deadline" that Arum negotiated with GBP is about to expire..... and the article in the second link is dated 17th July, where Arum admits that he never even spoke with GBP.....

Aint he just a card? LMAO.

How could there possibly have been a genuine "negotiation" ?

Arum lied, and his conference call was less than 24-hours later !!

That is why 6 people, belonging to 3 completely different business organisations, each of those people having first-hand information - 4 of whom would be ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL to that fight being made - ALL, categorically stated that..... "there were no official negotiations" !!

BTW bro, a lot of people know what's going on. And, I bet that both Ellerbe and Schaefer have made sure that Greenburg is up to speed now.

Although, it is uncanny that a man in his position could find himself manipulated like that. Let's just assume that Greenburg knows a little more about the business of boxing than he did a few weeks ago, and leave it there. Otherwise, there will undoubtedly be "conspiracy theorist" accusations flying around the room

Then again, I assume that everybody here realises that Greenburg has just as much to gain from this as Arum? Neither HBO nor Top Rank have any control over Mayweather, and Manny is a money-making machine. Greenburg got "lucky", because now Manny can make him lots more money before he has to risk his marketability against Mayweather.

This is an interesting article, although mostly only the direct quote from Ellerbe can be rated as first-hand. Funny prediction though....
http://www.mlive.com/mayweather/inde...e_over_ma.html

And it supports the Marley's revelations, after speaking with his contacts at Top Rank.....
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/4...before-ellerbe

There is heaps of stuff on the internet, just google "Arum lied"

Here is a couple of links just off the first page.....

http://ringsidereport.com/?p=3897

http://www.nowboxing.com/2010/07/bob...atement/12120/

http://insidefights.com/2010/06/14/e...pacquiao-bout/

http://teampilipinas.info/2010/07/fl...sponds-to.html

http://www.************.com/2010/07/...m-blood-tests/

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/4...before-ellerbe

Drug testing no longer issue for Mayweather-Pacquiao super fight
September 29th, 2010 4:21 pm ET
Quote:
Amidst all the Sturm und drang of the on then off, on then off Floyd Mayweather-Manny Pacquiao super fight negotiations, the most contentious issue on the table, under the table and behind the table has been a consistent one.

The Mayweather side has always maintained that it thinks Pacman is a drug cheater and thus it's one persistent, nonflexible demand was always for totally random drug testing.

If you recall, Pacquiao would only OK a prefight drug test up to 14 days before the fight with the mandatory postbout blood being drawn in their respective lockerrooms immediately thereafter.

The negotiations crashed twice when the hopes of fight fans worldwide were running high and the two sides started spitting at each other again. Even a self-imposed gag order did not get them to the contract stage in the second go-round.

When Pacquiao was in New York a few weeks ago to hype his Nov. 13 bout against Antonio Margarito, he quietly but firmly told me he had aceded to the random testing demand. No ifs, buts and no candy or nuts if you know what I mean.

Pacman made the statement with agent Michael Koncz standing behind him. Koncz did not seek to correct or modify Congressmanny's plain assertion.

On Tuesday, as Oscar de la Hoya visited Gleason's Gym in Brooklyn to plug Golden Boy's new relationship with Barclays Center in that boxing conscious borough, I nearly had a cardiac event when I mentioned what Manny said to GBP CEO Richard Schaefer.

Two or three other scribes were within earshot. I don't know if they were as astounded as I was by Richie Rich's quick response.

I expected a "no comment" or other form of demurral.

I mean, it's

But no such disclaimer or correction was forthcoming. Instead, Schaefer co-signed Pacquiao's statement regarding accepting the at any given time blood testing for drug use.

"If Pacquiao said that, then I'm sure he wouldn't lie about it," Schaefer said without blinking.

It's not Schaefer was intoxicated with truth serum or anything.

But I did not have him across the table, under oath in a deposition or on the witness stand undergoing cross examination.

I inquired about Mayweather and Schaefer took a pass.

"I'm not talking about Mayweather right now," Schaefer snapped.

If boxing fans have any strand of hope for Floyd-Manny to happen in 2011, I say this is it.

Random drug testing is a non-issue now and both sides have said so.

If they can't reset and, Antonio Margarito permitting, then make Floyd-Manny for next May, then I'll be compelled to write a book about their idiocy.

I wonder if can borrow John Kennedy O'Toole's title for his great New Orleans novel.

That's right. "Confederacy of Dunces."
http://www.examiner.com/boxing-in-na...ao-super-fight


HBO Pres Unsure Why Mayweather Turned Pacquiao Down
"Both times, the fight was very close to being made. And, the second time around, you know, all that I can say is that you would have to ask Floyd Mayweather why the fight wasn't made. To this day, I really don't know why Floyd decided that he didn't want the fight any more in the fall," Greenburg said.

I have no idea how Ross do his business but he won't be the president of HBO if he doesn't know a thing about proper business deals and he went as far as going on records, making public statements just to verify, confirm substantiate, accentuate that he was in the middle of negotiations with Floyd...

Sori Kid BUT THERE WAS A NEGOTIATION!!!

[Vasyl’s dad]

Drug testing no longer issue for Mayweather-Pacquiao super fight
September 29th, 2010 4:21 pm ET
Quote:
Amidst all the Sturm und drang of the on then off, on then off Floyd Mayweather-Manny Pacquiao super fight negotiations, the most contentious issue on the table, under the table and behind the table has been a consistent one.

The Mayweather side has always maintained that it thinks Pacman is a drug cheater and thus it's one persistent, nonflexible demand was always for totally random drug testing.

If you recall, Pacquiao would only OK a prefight drug test up to 14 days before the fight with the mandatory postbout blood being drawn in their respective lockerrooms immediately thereafter.

The negotiations crashed twice when the hopes of fight fans worldwide were running high and the two sides started spitting at each other again. Even a self-imposed gag order did not get them to the contract stage in the second go-round.

When Pacquiao was in New York a few weeks ago to hype his Nov. 13 bout against Antonio Margarito, he quietly but firmly told me he had aceded to the random testing demand. No ifs, buts and no candy or nuts if you know what I mean.

Pacman made the statement with agent Michael Koncz standing behind him. Koncz did not seek to correct or modify Congressmanny's plain assertion.

On Tuesday, as Oscar de la Hoya visited Gleason's Gym in Brooklyn to plug Golden Boy's new relationship with Barclays Center in that boxing conscious borough, I nearly had a cardiac event when I mentioned what Manny said to GBP CEO Richard Schaefer.

Two or three other scribes were within earshot. I don't know if they were as astounded as I was by Richie Rich's quick response.

I expected a "no comment" or other form of demurral.

I mean, it's

But no such disclaimer or correction was forthcoming. Instead, Schaefer co-signed Pacquiao's statement regarding accepting the at any given time blood testing for drug use.

"If Pacquiao said that, then I'm sure he wouldn't lie about it," Schaefer said without blinking.

It's not Schaefer was intoxicated with truth serum or anything.

But I did not have him across the table, under oath in a deposition or on the witness stand undergoing cross examination.

I inquired about Mayweather and Schaefer took a pass.

"I'm not talking about Mayweather right now," Schaefer snapped.

If boxing fans have any strand of hope for Floyd-Manny to happen in 2011, I say this is it.

Random drug testing is a non-issue now and both sides have said so.

If they can't reset and, Antonio Margarito permitting, then make Floyd-Manny for next May, then I'll be compelled to write a book about their idiocy.

I wonder if can borrow John Kennedy O'Toole's title for his great New Orleans novel.

That's right. "Confederacy of Dunces."
http://www.examiner.com/boxing-in-na...ao-super-fight


HBO Pres Unsure Why Mayweather Turned Pacquiao Down
"Both times, the fight was very close to being made. And, the second time around, you know, all that I can say is that you would have to ask Floyd Mayweather why the fight wasn't made. To this day, I really don't know why Floyd decided that he didn't want the fight any more in the fall," Greenburg said.

I have no idea how Ross do his business but he won't be the president of HBO if he doesn't know a thing about proper business deals and he went as far as going on records, making public statements just to verify, confirm substantiate, accentuate that he was in the middle of negotiations with Floyd...

Sori Kid BUT THERE WAS A NEGOTIATION!!!

You freaking liar. Lead Uppercut and Grustler from Boxingscene.com know more than an HBO executive. Their source is Leonard Ellerbe.

Now who in the f uck is the HBO presidents source?

Yea, nuff said!

[IAMBIAZED]

You freaking liar. Lead Uppercut and Grustler from Boxingscene.com know more than an HBO executive. Their source is Leonard Ellerbe.

Now who in the f uck is the HBO presidents source?

Yea, nuff said!

Amen to that. We have all we need on this forum. If want to know about drugs and what's detected and what's not. Heck, if you want to know how to detect A-side meth, just create a thread and someone will tell you all you need to know. NSB rocks!

[LeadUppercut]

Drug testing no longer issue for Mayweather-Pacquiao super fight

ALG, who said anything about drug testing ?

The issue is that Bob Arum completely lied about the negotiation and resulting deadline.

Who cares about drug tests ?

It is obvious why Arum wants to milk the Manny-cow dry before he feeds it to Mayweather.

Gettin a little sensitive on the ol steroid issue are ya?

That's the feeling that I'm getting GRUS.....

And, nobody has addressed any of the issues that I outlined.

People see what they want to see, and people hear what they want to hear, even if there is contradictory evidence staring them right in the face.....
I wonder why that is? You may have touched on that in your previous post.

FACT: Arum lied, that is not even debatable.

There were dozens of articles quoting Bob Arum as publicly stating that he was either working on a proposal to present to GBP, or that he had presented it to GBP and was waiting for a response. I just quoted the one off the top.

But, maybe like me you were actually interested in that fight? So, you can probably remember that just as well as I can?

Who knows why those other guys are on here arguing now? Because, if they can't remember Bob Arum stating on numerous occasions that he was negotiating with GBP, then they can't have been that interested in the fight way back then

Although, I suspect that most of them know alright.

I also suspect that many of them didn't actually read my "spam" very carefully.

You know old.... "yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth" Arum?

Well, he actually did that.

The article in the first link is dated 16th July, where a "deadline" that Arum negotiated with GBP is about to expire..... and the article in the second link is dated 17th July, where Arum admits that he never even spoke with GBP.....

Aint he just a card? LMAO.

How could there possibly have been a genuine "negotiation" ?

Arum lied, and his conference call was less than 24-hours later !!

That is why 6 people, belonging to 3 completely different business organisations, each of those people having first-hand information - 4 of whom would be ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL to that fight being made - ALL, categorically stated that..... "there were no official negotiations" !!

BTW bro, a lot of people know what's going on. And, I bet that both Ellerbe and Schaefer have made sure that Greenburg is up to speed now.

Although, it is uncanny that a man in his position could find himself manipulated like that. Let's just assume that Greenburg knows a little more about the business of boxing than he did a few weeks ago, and leave it there. Otherwise, there will undoubtedly be "conspiracy theorist" accusations flying around the room

Then again, I assume that everybody here realises that Greenburg has just as much to gain from this as Arum? Neither HBO nor Top Rank have any control over Mayweather, and Manny is a money-making machine. Greenburg got "lucky", because now Manny can make him lots more money before he has to risk his marketability against Mayweather.

This is an interesting article, although mostly only the direct quote from Ellerbe can be rated as first-hand. Funny prediction though....
http://www.mlive.com/mayweather/inde...e_over_ma.html

And it supports the Marley's revelations, after speaking with his contacts at Top Rank.....
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/4...before-ellerbe

There is heaps of stuff on the internet, just google "Arum lied"

Here is a couple of links just off the first page.....

http://ringsidereport.com/?p=3897

http://www.nowboxing.com/2010/07/bob...atement/12120/

http://insidefights.com/2010/06/14/e...pacquiao-bout/

http://teampilipinas.info/2010/07/fl...sponds-to.html

http://www.************.com/2010/07/...m-blood-tests/

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/4...before-ellerbe

[IAMBIAZED]

LeadUppercut you're absolutely right on the mark. Bob Arum is a ****ing liar. He said there was a negotiation when clearly Ellerbie said THERE WAS NO NEGOTIATION. He's ruining boxing.

[PAKYO]

LOL

Ellerbe..."Floyd has never taken xylocaine in his whole life!"
Ellerbe..."Floyd is not gay!" but i am.
Ellerbe..."There never was a negotiation."
Ellerbe..."Floyd did not rob that iphone, he just loaned it to the mother of his kids!"
Ellerbe..."Floyd's kids are liars!"

LOL

Hi Elle...