Do u believe in the phantom punch???

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

I think Liston was legitimately dropped...not so easy to fake that...Ali standing over him when he tried to get up ddint help either...

[Scott9945]

First of all, you can fake going down to a shot if you prepare for it. I think its funny Ali claimed Liston used blinding substances on his gloves, but then his fans claim that he was too noble to take a dive. Also, how good was Liston? Accordign to Ali he cheated and would blind his opponents? You really think liston only cheated against Ali? My guess is he blinded all of his opponents. Isnt that what Margarito haters say? Once a cheat always a cheat? So to start it off, Ali beat a cheater. A guy who would beat blinded opponents in the ring. Good job...

Second the fight was probably fixed. Their first fight was a DRAW on the scorecards when liston pulled out. Love all the people acting like Ali was killing Liston first time around. It was a draw on the cards. Second, Liston wasnt known for going down to shots like that, not saying it couldnt happen, but that punch was weak and most boxers would have been fine. Why was Ali so mad? If Ali just leveled the guy why was he yelling at Liston and believed Liston took a dive? I missed when Oliver McCall was mad at Lewis for taking a dive....

Third even if the fight was real, Liston shouldnt have been counted out. That was a joke. If Henry Cooper was allowed to stand over Ali when he knocked him almost through the ropes, he would have KO'ed Ali easily. Jersey Joe Walcott...not only was he an overrated fighter, but he was also a terrible ref.

That whole fight was a sham, in fact both Liston vs. Ali fights are garbage.

So all of Liston's opponents lost because their vision was impaired? Even the ones who got KTFO? That's the craziest thing I've read here in awhile.

[Guest]

I think Liston was legitimately dropped...not so easy to fake that...Ali standing over him when he tried to get up ddint help either...

He was dropped. My thing is, could he have gotten up?

That's where I waiver on it.

But yeah Liston got legitimately dropped.

[XionComrade]

Meh. Liston came in wild and Ali countered with a amazing shot, Liston just went down on his two gloves but thought to throw the fight then and their. The referee was completely oblivious to what was going on and stopped the fight way early...Liston wasn't hurt, it was a flash KD.

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

Meh. Liston came in wild and Ali countered with a amazing shot, Liston just went down on his two gloves but thought to throw the fight then and their. The referee was completely oblivious to what was going on and stopped the fight way early...Liston wasn't hurt, it was a flash KD.

yea, Jersey Joe was obviously not prepared to deal with that kind of pressure or situation...

[AllEyesOpen]

It was a legitimate counter punch. No phantom.

Exactly, I'm sure at the time, people at ring side might not have seen it thrown and land, which tells me that Liston probably didn't either, it was a very effective, quick and accurate counter shot. But to say the punch never landed means you haven't bothered to watch the fight and as Iceman put it, your just repeating what you've heard.

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

ha, repeating what we hear and passing it off to someone else as fact is a national past time...

[Gorilla Dogs]

ya never know man. its a business .... lol

[MickyHatton]

He was dropped. My thing is, could he have gotten up?

That's where I waiver on it.

But yeah Liston got legitimately dropped.

Agreed, it was a flash knocked down at the very least but I dont think it was KO shot certainly not on the likes of Liston.

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

again, u never know...it DEFINITELY was a jolting shot...it appeard to me to shake Sonny badly on impact...his head SNAPPED...