Do u believe in the phantom punch???

[The Surgeon]

Mark Kram wrote that book and I thought he put his own opinion completely into it...it was not based on facts, it was based on his opinions that he tried to pass off as facts...and many of them IMO were very wrong...

I thought it was worth a read, gives a different perspective on things but if u think his facts are wrong u more than likely know better than me

Have u met Mike Tyson before? If so whats he like in real life? Random i know but im meeting him on Saturday!

[Holtol]

I think it was a ko blow. Liston's head was moving fairly fast directly into the punch which amplified the punch.

Same thing happened to Forest Griffin in the UFC vs Silva.

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

I thought it was worth a read, gives a different perspective on things but if u think his facts are wrong u more than likely know better than me

Have u met Mike Tyson before? If so whats he like in real life? Random i know but im meeting him on Saturday!

O yea?? Yes, I know Mike a bit...we arent close friends or anything but he knows me...if you say my name to him he will know...for me he was GREAT when I met him...he loved talking about the old amateur days..I even gave him a bunch of copies of old amateur articles and photos from his era that I have been told he REALLY enjoyed...

[Gorilla Dogs]

i heard about it lots. i wouldnt be surprised if it was but i doubt it is in reality

[The Surgeon]

O yea?? Yes, I know Mike a bit...we arent close friends or anything but he knows me...if you say my name to him he will know...for me he was GREAT when I met him...he loved talking about the old amateur days..I even gave him a bunch of copies of old amateur articles and photos from his era that I have been told he REALLY enjoyed...

Excellent, i'll drop ur name then, and tell em u said hey!
Im so pumped but kinda worried, dont meet ur heros and all that! I dont wanna freak him out so i might not mention i watch his KO of micheal Jack Johnson pretty much everyday lol!

Oh was wondering, u used to train Lawrence clay bey didnt u? Do u know where i can buy his fight with clifferd ettine? one of my favs but cant find it anywhere! Anyways I gotta hit the gym now

[SonnyboyReturns]

I thought it was worth a read, gives a different perspective on things but if u think his facts are wrong u more than likely know better than me

Have u met Mike Tyson before? If so whats he like in real life? Random i know but im meeting him on Saturday!

I haven't read any books about him but check out this thread called "Clearing the name of Thomas Hears". It's a great read.

BTW I checked out reviews of MArk Krams book and it was overly a mixed reaction. It definately isn't a five star book. But since you've reccommended it, I'll try and have a look.

BTW his name spelt backwards is the same.

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

I haven't read any books about him but check out this thread called "Clearing the name of Thomas Hearns". It's a great read.

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ha, THANKS...he isnt talking about a book about or by me..hes talking about Mark Kram...u liked My Tommy Hearns story, though, huh??

[ROSS CALIFORNIA]

I have seen that fight sequence several times and the right that snaps Liston's head to the right side is very, very clear.

Also, If you look at the foot (I think the right) that Liston was leading with and had most of his weight on, it lifted about an inch or two off the ground as soon as that punch landed. That's the brain sending strange signals to the legs we sometimes call buckling. That was a legitimate ko IMO.

[MickyHatton]

I cannot profess to know the truth, who does?

However the punch although clean and had snap was when Ali was moving backwards/sidewards and there was little weight behind it. Liston was known for taking a shot, yet he went down then rolled over?

Jack Dempsey, Joe Louis, and Gene Tunney who knew Liston all thought that he took a dive.

In answer to the question though, if it was a phantom punch, it was a excellent counter punch. The real question should be was it hard enough to KO a fighter like Liston?

[The Surgeon]

I haven't read any books about him but check out this thread called "Clearing the name of Thomas Hears". It's a great read.

BTW I checked out reviews of MArk Krams book and it was overly a mixed reaction. It definately isn't a five star book. But since you've reccommended it, I'll try and have a look.

BTW his name spelt backwards is the same.

Lol so it is!
If u hold off on buying that i can have a look for mine and just send u it if u want, ive got loads of old books im never gonna read again