cal***gi up to his old tricks again !

[Super_Lightweight]

hmm

Eubank was a strong sod, what do you mean he wasn't strong enough to hurt Toney ..? If Eubank wasnt then who was ..? He was more than slick enough to outbox Toney .. if Eubank isn't slick enough then I dont know who is .. watching him lastnight reminded me just how special Eubank was Id totally forgot .. there are v.few fighters in that class when he turned it on

I dont know if it was a oneoff or what, thats why I want to know where I can buy his career set because Ive forgot just how good that guy was

Given that Toney was not seriously hurt vs Ruiz, Jones, Jirov, and the plethora of 200+ lbs guys he fought, it is very unlikely that Eubank would have out Toney into serious danger. Couple this with the fact that it is just hard as hell to hit Toney clean in his prime.

Toney has more power than Eubank, as much speed, a better chin, and as good or better defense (in his prime of course). However, that doesn't mean Eubank couldn't beat Toney. Styles make fights. But there is basically next to zero chance of Eubank seriously hurting Toney.

[theclawoftheTiger]

Toney has more power than Eubank, as much speed, a better chin, and as good or better defense (in his prime of course). However, that doesn't mean Eubank couldn't beat Toney. Styles make fights. But there is basically next to zero chance of Eubank seriously hurting Toney.

Eubank has slightly more power than Toney, more speed, both had sound chins .. and both had sound defence ..

[theclawoftheTiger]

Couple this with the fact that it is just hard as hell to hit Toney clean in his prime.

It was hard to avoid alot of Eubank shots in his prime judging by what I remember and what I saw lastnight .. that guy had skill factor ..! He threw this uppercut lastnight that couldnt of travelled anymore than four or five inches and it almost took a guys head off .. was very impressive .. I saw him throw three or four jabs in round one in the time it takes some guys to throw one jab ..! I really have to see more of him in his prime because it was a long time ago but after seeing some of his fights lastnight he looked ace

[Easy-E]

Calzaghe has defended his title against much better opposition than Jones Jr and Hopkins have defended against. Eubank made 19 WBO defences, Calzaghe has made 17, take the blown-up little guys away and Hopkins made 18. And Eubank's opposition was better than Calzaghe's and Hopkins put together. Eubank can also claim that he had Jones Jr screaming to the hills.

King of the Ring = Chris Eubank


Thank you

JUYJUY

ok, i know you love eubank, but honestly, he doesnt have much to do with this argument... but im not going to get into an argument with you about eubank.
OK, so can i have some examples of calzaghe's better competition?
i mean mitchell was ok, and he also had a tough time with reid.
im not really sure how his competition is better that bhop's.
just because he beat a blown up eubank doesnt mean hes had great competition.
also, apart from benn, who was eubanks big competition?
what was his (and cal's) big fights?

[Super_Lightweight]

hmm

It was hard to avoid alot of Eubank shots in his prime judging by what I remember and what I saw lastnight .. that guy had skill factor ..! He threw an uppercut that didnt travel anymore than four or five inches and it almost took a guys head off .. was very impressive .. I saw him throw three or four jabs in round one in the time it takes some guys to throw one jab ..! I have to see more of him in his prime because it was a long time ago

None of those guys were Toney. Even if he did land, Toney would probably just smile at him. Roy is just as accurate as Eubank f not more, and it was hard to land clean hard punches on Toney then. Michael Nunn was as fluid a boxer as any and he couldn't hurt Toney even though he was giving him a boxing lesson.

And no, Eubank does not have more power than Toney. Perhaps equal at best, but no way did Eubank clearly have more power. Toney put cruiserweights OUT with one punch, and did the same to Nunn. Also, an old Toney ruined Vassiliy Jirov in ONE fight.

Eubank may have more footspeed than Toney, but you're not gonna find many ppl who aren't British that are going to agree that Eubank had better handspeed.

[theclawoftheTiger]

Calzaghe hasnt had good opposition in terms of fighters in their prime .. for example Lacy will be the first reigning world champion that Calzaghe has ever faced .. yes he has names on his record but no fighter who was really at their best with the possible exceptions of Reid, Starie, Brewer and possibly Sheika but the bigger names on his record Eubank, Woodhall and Mitchell had their best days behind them and Mitchell was a premature stoppage anyway ( and a fight that Calzaghe was floored in ) .. Calzaghe doesnt stand much chance against a prime Eubank and a fight against Woodhall a few years earlier would of been interesting because Calzaghe was a little greener and Woodhall could box with handspeed that Calzaghe hasnt seen ( Eubanks handspeed had diminished )

[Easy-E]

im not doubting cal's talent, i was just suprised that juy juy used that particular argument, he seems more like a "how he beats them" rather than who he beats...but you know more about him than me, thats just my opinion

[theclawoftheTiger]

None of those guys were Toney. Even if he did land, Toney would probably just smile at him. Roy is just as accurate as Eubank f not more, and it was hard to land clean hard punches on Toney then. Michael Nunn was as fluid a boxer as any and he couldn't hurt Toney even though he was giving him a boxing lesson.

And no, Eubank does not have more power than Toney. Perhaps equal at best, but no way did Eubank clearly have more power. Toney put cruiserweights OUT with one punch, and did the same to Nunn. Also, an old Toney ruined Vassiliy Jirov in ONE fight.

Eubank may have more footspeed than Toney, but you're not gonna find many ppl who aren't British that are going to agree that Eubank had better handspeed.

Based on what I saw lastnight of a prime Eubank, Toneys handspeed just wasnt in that league .. in the opening rounds Eubank had awfully quick and slick hands ..

Toney put cruisers OUT with one punch because he himself was a cruiser at that time .. but Eubank proved his power up until crippling Watson when he didnt go for knockouts as much .. his best right uppercut would of hurt anybody I dont care how good their chin was ..

[theclawoftheTiger]

im not doubting cal's talent, i was just suprised that juy juy used that particular argument, he seems more like a "how he beats them" rather than who he beats...but you know more about him than me, thats just my opinion

I dont think Calzaghe OR Hopkins have had particularly good opposition because its not a particularly good era ..! Hops best names are Oscar and Tito who were moving up to fight him rather than being regular middles .. but Cal hasnt really fought a highlyrated young fighter at their best yet ( Lacy will be the first ) if Cal beats Lacy he can atleast claim to of beaten a fighter in his young prime and a current world champion and then move to lightheavy ..