Manny is good not great(heres why)

[jrosales13]

wtf?

who said shot to ****? I know I didn't

and wtf does being ranked have to do with anything

you think Peden and Fana were awesome wins? you think the first Juarez fight wasn't close and didn't start to indicate how Barrera was past his prime?

dear goodness Mak please tell me you are not sitting there blindly defending Barrera to sake Manny?

But, Peden wasn't a bad fighter though at the time. He was coming off 2 KO wins over Nate Campbell, yes one of them KO's was knucklehead mistake by Campbell. But, he did again in the rematch. And, Barrera clearly won 9 or 10 rounds against Peden. I don't think it was a crap win. I think JMM win over Peden was much better. But, Barrera win was still OK at best but not crap IMO.

[jrosales13]

too lazy to look it up but how many slick, defensive counter punchers has Floyd beaten?

They count Judah as one of them

[gondixs]

you should log off of MANNY COX ok ok u talking about morales and barrera but not sayin anything about other...i named a few other ppl beside them two ..daiz?oscar?hatton?cotto?clottey?

[Eaner0919]

no, not at all...but lets not make it seem like Barrera was being held up on strings fighting taxi cab drivers

again who said that? not I

in fact you must have missed where I call the win a great one for Manny

he moved up in weight and took Morales' title

and I called it a great win did I not?

whooped his mandatory challengers

Fana and Peden were crap and you know it

then fought probably the best version of Juarez in his career

no doubt however one could say Juarez won so I am not sure how good you consider this win

to insinuate that he was on his way out because of one loss is ridiculous...THAT version of Marco was still better than most fighters at that time

you got the wrong guy man lol

[jrosales13]

you should log off of MANNY COX ok ok u talking about morales and barrera but not sayin anything about other...i named a few other ppl beside them two ..daiz?oscar?hatton?cotto?clottey?

The whole reason it could be cuz nobody read the rest of your post. Since the first paragraph was just total crap. Nobody else wanted to waste their time.

Why don't you start all over or edit that first paragraph out of the OP and then maybe others will talk about the rest of the stuff you said.

[Pullcounter]

ok first off let me say that i enjoy watching manny pac fight but lets not get confused here with good and great. yes manny came from a lower weight class but he fought way to many fighters on the way out regardless of size when your done your done and heres the former champions he beat. 1st name MARCO BARRERA, before fighting manny Marco had a record of 57-3 to anybody 57-3 is a lot of fights and everyfight takes a lil out of you no matter if it was a 12rd UD or 5 rd KO. Before Manny, Marco had fought 2 fights with junior jones( champion) Kennedy Mckinney( champion) kevin kelly( champion) price nassem(champion) Erik Morales (champion) all before manny. Marco had to many wars and by the time manny got him he was just a big name that took to many shots and was done. Before you say wait Marco fought after that(yes he did but what name has he beat after the manny fight and please dont tell me manny ruined him because all his fights ruined him.

Next manny fights Marquez, now marquez didnt fight anyone to the point of Marco names and we all know that after 3 knockdowns he started to take it to manny and it ended being a draw. so i give cerdit when its due and manny did a good job here not great bc after 3 kd you should be able to close the show.i kno i kno he wasnt with freddie but well get to that.

Next manny fights Morales. now Morales was 47-2. i once again will say that many fights will take so much from you. up to this point Morales has faced Pualie Ayala, Wayne McCullo, junior jones, Barrera twice, carlos hernandaz, guty espadas and jesus chavez.ALL GOOD OPP. he fights manny and wins. what a war now take time to think you fought all of these guys and u war with manny and ppl think omg i want to see it again but little do they know that ..that was the last time we see Morales at his best..Morales loses to Raheem next and loses to manny in the next two. if you dont believe me check after morales loses to manny and see how many wins he has after. so manny takes the next 2 fights from morales. i mean its a good thing but common not great

Next big fight manny says let have a rematch with marquez which was a war but does enough to win in the judges eyes. this fight was a coin flip and could have gone either way. once again good but not great.

Now manny was to move up in weight who does he choose a soft fist opp in David daiz who has alot of heart. now daiz has a good record at this point i believe only one lost to kendall holt and why does he get a opp to fight pac well maybe bc he beat a aging morales in 07 by scores of 115-113 115-113 and 115-112. to close to call for me esp when morales at this point is done. now manny moves up and knocksout daiz.

Now after david he skips 140 and goes to Oscar. media and ppl are saying manny is to small to fight how about Oscar is over the hill and done. he just came off a win from steve forbes and fight before that he was fighting 154 to 160. now here comes manny and they fight at 147. up to this point oscar has been in wit the best.(Tito,Vargas,Hopkins,Mosley,Strum,Mayorga,Ike Floyd ETC) so if your telling me that oscar was in to many wars on top of having to fight at 147 which he hadnt done in years ur crazy.

Now we come to ricky hatton. Yes ricky was a good fight def not great and to me a big overratted. who did ricky beat?a aging Kosta common luis colazo got robed in the fight with ricky. who did he beat a one dim Urango a aging luis castillo who was already in wars and fought so many times. common floyd disposed of him and manny just finished it off. once again manny looks great but who is this guy. the UK just media hyped him up and thats about it.

Next manny faces miguel cotto. yes at this point alot of ppl were say o well manny met his match now but once again your forgetting that they made cotto fight manny at 145 when the reason for cotto to go to 147 is bc he couldnt make 140 and even had a lil trouble making 147 and now your sayin go down to 145. but most of all cotto was in a war where this man took a beating from margo(now u add the fact that he was getting hit with plaster which i dont care what noone says margo used plaster. u used plaster for mosley who got beat by cotto but u didnt use for cotto fight give em a break. even luis resto deny knowing anything happened intill that documen came out. now manny comes and beats cotto. once again good not great.

Next fighter is Clottley. now they fight at 147 when just one fight ago you tell this man cotto to come in at 145. common pac who are you kidding. clottley a good fighter but who has clottley beat. what did clottley do all fight block. are we forgetting jim sayin **** **** **** **** ****. once again beats a good opp but not great.

[odogg8121]

You really dont know ****. The guys he beat after pac we're actually the top fighters in his division at that time.

Well aren't you one of the ppl that said Floyd's win over Baldo wasnt ****, but Baldo was the real WW lineal champ at the time....

[gondixs]

like i said u have nothing to say about the other point arcoss...went up in weight big deal who has he fought since going up in there prime..ima give u barrea but not morales he won against manny the first time and then went downhill so i will give u marco...not erik and now we have daiz..oscar..hatton...cotto and clottey not to mention he fighting margo after he said foremen was to big

[-MAKAVELLI-]

again who said that? not I

in fact you must have missed where I call the win a great one for Manny





and I called it a great win did I not?



Fana and Peden were crap and you know it


no doubt however one could say Juarez won so I am not sure how good you consider this win




you got the wrong guy man lol

listen EaRner...i'm done with you

[jrosales13]

Well aren't you one of the ppl that said Floyd's win over Baldo wasnt ****, but Baldo was the real WW champ at the time....

Don't you dare compare Baldo to Barrera.

First of all Baldo might have been the lineal WW champ. But, that doesn't mean he was the best WW. Margarito was a better WW than Baldo.

Not only was Barrera the lineal champ, but he was the best FW at that time. Could nobody say there was even another FW arguably better. And, Barrera was an elite P4P discussion.

So take that Baldo argument somewhere else.