Excellent Article About the Klitschkos

[XionComrade]

Right, cause a 1999 Holyfield that went all twelve with Lewis twice, was that much different 3 years later when he faced Byrd. Because 3 years made all that difference. The bias and the misinformation around here is ridiculous.

You all are ready to schlob Tyson's knob because he beat a 40-year old Holmes but when Wlad was the first man to ever beat a 40-year old Mercer by something other than a decision, gets no respect.

Lewis dropping his belt in the trash so he doesn't have to face Byrd or Ruiz, is all of a sudden forgotten, or that he had to be saved by the ring doctor cause Vitaly was up 4-2 on the cards. Or the fact that he promptly retired so he doesn't have to face Vitaly again, forgoing a $30 million payday. All that goes out of the window, you only remember what you want to remember. All of a sudden the Klitschkos era is **** even though they fought and were champs in the same era Holyfield, Lewis, and Tyson were.

While Ali was beating up on LHWs and CWs, being a fully grown HW, and only managing a 60% KO ratio, Wlad and Vitaly had to fight real HWs and they have the highest KO% in history.

But don't worry, you can still watch the videos of your heroes hugging it out against Marovic or quitting against McBride without any injuries on YouTube and we get to watch the Kltischkos live still dominate the flagship division of boxing. LOL

1. Those three years DID make the difference sir, did you ever even see Holyfield-Toney? Not even a year after the Byrd fight, and still yet even before then the officials were trying to take his license away from him because he wasn't even a shadow of himself, HE IS STILL GOING >.< Are you implying that the Holyfield that fought Lewis was prime? 1 year can ruin a career, 3?

2. Oh no, no no...Did you just compare, EVEN compare Ray Mercer to Larry Holmes? Ray was a tank, but not even 1/5 the fighter Holmes was...Also Ray was far far more over the hill than Holmes was by 40...did you even watch the Wlad fight? Mercer was a shell...

3. Seeing as how Vitali wasn't champion until AFTER Lewis left, and seeing as how Lewis was the last one to lay down the belts, I would say that NEITHER Klit was champion when the big 3 were, wouldn't you? Derp. Did you even see Vitali's face? That fight HAD to be stopped, it was near criminal just to let it go as long as it did. And who was staggering in the last round? VITALI. Who looked 1/4 the fighter he was in his prime? LENNOX LEWIS...Seems noone ever mentions just how unprepared and over the hill Lewis was by that time...

4. What the HELL? Did you not know that Ali was not, and never was a hard hitter by heavyweight standards? Does Sonny Liston ring a bell? Liston being a better puncher than ANYONE the Klits has ever faced? I know he would walk over Wlad, probably dominate with his jab and end it very early, but he is more than capable of ending Vitali as well...Chuvalo has a better chin than anyone since....Chuvalo. Floyd Patterson, more agile than Byrd.
Comparing Muhammad Ali to both Klits combined is still ludicrous and disgusting.

5. The welterweight and lightweight division is the flagship division, bub. Has been ever since Kostya Tszyu moved in...Herp. Yeah because the Tyson that fought Mcbride was prime, since he was under 45 years old...Good example.

[IIG]

No you can't mentioned both.

You can't give Vitaly credit for Wlad wins and accomplishments. It is really ridiculous to do so.

Why does Wlad have a HOF resume and not Vitaly? They fought in the same era. So how did Vitaly not have the opportunity yet Wlad did?

No look at Vitaly wins, and compare them to the ones I mentioned. Is not an insult.

To give Vitaly credit for what his bro is doing is really ridiculous.

That's just the way it played out. Vitali surely hasn't ducked any of Wlad's opponents, and he conquered those that his HOF brother couldn't. He fought the best opponent on either of their resumes, and was leading on the scorecards when he suffered a cut that ended the night. We can disagree about the resume, but I feel no need to point out how it is better than Michaelzewski's or the rest. We're clearly far apart on it, and will remain so.

[jrosales13]

That's just the way it played out. Vitali surely hasn't ducked any of Wlad's opponents, and he conquered those that his HOF brother couldn't. He fought the best opponent on either of their resumes, and was leading on the scorecards when he suffered a cut that ended the night. We can disagree about the resume, but I feel no need to point out how it is better than Michaelzewski's or the rest. We're clearly far apart on it, and will remain so.

But, he got stopped by Lewis it doesn't matter that he was ahead for 6 rounds in a 12 round fight.

He lost plain and simple. Plenty of times a fighter scored a come from behind stoppage.

So he shouldn't get credit for a lost. His resumes should be about wins and wins I don't see how is better than Machaelzewski.

Dariusz win against Virgil Hill is better than any Vitaly win.

I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

[WladIsTheChamp]

1. Those three years DID make the difference sir, did you ever even see Holyfield-Toney? Not even a year after the Byrd fight, and still yet even before then the officials were trying to take his license away from him because he wasn't even a shadow of himself, HE IS STILL GOING >.< Are you implying that the Holyfield that fought Lewis was prime? 1 year can ruin a career, 3?

2. Oh no, no no...Did you just compare, EVEN compare Ray Mercer to Larry Holmes? Ray was a tank, but not even 1/5 the fighter Holmes was...Also Ray was far far more over the hill than Holmes was by 40...did you even watch the Wlad fight? Mercer was a shell...

3. Seeing as how Vitali wasn't champion until AFTER Lewis left, and seeing as how Lewis was the last one to lay down the belts, I would say that NEITHER Klit was champion when the big 3 were, wouldn't you? Derp. Did you even see Vitali's face? That fight HAD to be stopped, it was near criminal just to let it go as long as it did. And who was staggering in the last round? VITALI. Who looked 1/4 the fighter he was in his prime? LENNOX LEWIS...Seems noone ever mentions just how unprepared and over the hill Lewis was by that time...

4. What the HELL? Did you not know that Ali was not, and never was a hard hitter by heavyweight standards? Does Sonny Liston ring a bell? Liston being a better puncher than ANYONE the Klits has ever faced? I know he would walk over Wlad, probably dominate with his jab and end it very early, but he is more than capable of ending Vitali as well...Chuvalo has a better chin than anyone since....Chuvalo. Floyd Patterson, more agile than Byrd.
Comparing Muhammad Ali to both Klits combined is still ludicrous and disgusting.

5. The welterweight and lightweight division is the flagship division, bub. Has been ever since Kostya Tszyu moved in...Herp. Yeah because the Tyson that fought Mcbride was prime, since he was under 45 years old...Good example.

News flash, Vitaly was WBO champ before Lewis retired.... I can see that it's really pointless talking to you since you are stuck in the past - Chuvalo's chin isn't better than Mercer's, my argument of that is just as good as yours, it's all subjective, both have been stopped. Floyd Patterson more agile than Byrd? Please man, that's all you nostalgic Kltischko haters can come up with, non-sensical comparisons that are about as objective as figure skating judging. Next you'll say Ali's dancing in the ring is more impressiv than Wlad's dancing. How the hell would you know who is more agile in the ring unless you fought both of them?

Speaking of objective facts that can't be contravened - highest KO% of any HW, never had a KD on his record as a pro, 3 time HW Champ - that's Vitaly for you, now find another HW who has the same stats.

[IMDAZED]

News flash, Vitaly was WBO champ before Lewis retired.... I can see that it's really pointless talking to you since you are stuck in the past - Chuvalo's chin isn't better than Mercer's, my argument of that is just as good as yours, it's all subjective, both have been stopped. Floyd Patterson more agile than Byrd? Please man, that's all you nostalgic Kltischko haters can come up with, non-sensical comparisons that are about as objective as figure skating judging. Next you'll say Ali's dancing in the ring is more impressiv than Wlad's dancing. How the hell would you know who is more agile in the ring unless you fought both of them?

Speaking of objective facts that can't be contravened - highest KO% of any HW, never had a KD on his record as a pro, 3 time HW Champ - that's Vitaly for you, now find another HW who has the same stats.

LOL @ this guy thinking the WBO was seriously regarded back then. And talking about KO % like that's some extra credit ****

[WladIsTheChamp]

News flash, Vitaly was WBO champ before Lewis retired.... I can see that it's really pointless talking to you since you are stuck in the past - Chuvalo's chin isn't better than Mercer's, my argument of that is just as good as yours, it's all subjective, both have been stopped. Floyd Patterson more agile than Byrd? Please man, that's all you nostalgic Kltischko haters can come up with, non-sensical comparisons that are about as objective as figure skating judging. Next you'll say Ali's dancing in the ring is more impressiv than Wlad's dancing. How the hell would you know who is more agile in the ring unless you fought both of them?

Speaking of objective facts that can't be contravened - highest KO% of any HW, never had a KD on his record as a pro, 3 time HW Champ - that's Vitaly for you, now find another HW who has the same stats.

Please don't tell me you have seen every Patterson fight and every Byrd fight and then made a comparison. You saw clips of Patterson (if that, cause I know you weren't around back then) and in you nostalgic stuppor now claim that all of a sudden, just because his videos are in grainy-black-and-white, he is more superior to fighter of today.

I saw a couple of Ali fights on ESPN Classic - talk about boredom and clinching, anyone who has seen his fights should never criticize Wlad's fights for these things unless they want to be the biggest hypocrit on the planet. Ali inveted clinching (that's what you call a master defensive genius when he does it but call it "hugging" when Wlad does it). Sorry, but Wlad's and Vitaly's fights have 10 times more action than Ali's fight. By the way, laying on ropes and getting beaten to a pulp is not action, that's why he has pugilistic dementia now.

[WladIsTheChamp]

LOL @ this guy thinking the WBO was seriously regarded back then. And talking about KO % like that's some extra credit ****

Can't come up with anything to contravene what I am saying can you?

Can you? I didn't think so.

[IMDAZED]

Can't come up with anything to contravene what I am saying can you?

Can you? I didn't think so.

For what? I don't need to do ****. You're the one desperate to prove a point. Wlad is a fine champion. Vitali is a paper champ. I don't slurp either one's nuts. Next.

[XionComrade]

News flash, Vitaly was WBO champ before Lewis retired.... I can see that it's really pointless talking to you since you are stuck in the past - Chuvalo's chin isn't better than Mercer's, my argument of that is just as good as yours, it's all subjective, both have been stopped. Floyd Patterson more agile than Byrd? Please man, that's all you nostalgic Kltischko haters can come up with, non-sensical comparisons that are about as objective as figure skating judging. Next you'll say Ali's dancing in the ring is more impressiv than Wlad's dancing. How the hell would you know who is more agile in the ring unless you fought both of them?

Speaking of objective facts that can't be contravened - highest KO% of any HW, never had a KD on his record as a pro, 3 time HW Champ - that's Vitaly for you, now find another HW who has the same stats.

Evander Holyfield...5x worlds champion if you count the robbery against Valuev, 4x official...and a much better fighter in his prime than either Klitschko...beat that. Chuvalo's chin IS better than Mercers, he was never down against Foreman...Ali's dancing IS more impressive than....any other heavyweights, I don't have to be in the mother ****ing ring to see that you insane nutthugger, I can just WATCH it....

Who did Vitali beat for that WBO belt? A BUM
Who did Vitali beat for that WBA belt?(WBA...lol) Someone who was nothing special at all, and had been fighting for 15 ****ing years....
And his biggest win, against Corrie no defense Sanders for the WBC belt...Once again, a guy that was nothing special and got LUCKY against Wlad...Face it, their is NOONE for them to fight, they will beat everyone's ass just as bad as the last guy because the division has only two fighters with real talent! Neither of them will ever be recognized as ATG because their is noone to fight to earn that respect!

[WladIsTheChamp]

Evander Holyfield...5x worlds champion if you count the robbery against Valuev, 4x official...and a much better fighter in his prime than either Klitschko...beat that. Chuvalo's chin IS better than Mercers, he was never down against Foreman...Ali's dancing IS more impressive than....any other heavyweights, I don't have to be in the mother ****ing ring to see that you insane nutthugger, I can just WATCH it....

Who did Vitali beat for that WBO belt? A BUM
Who did Vitali beat for that WBA belt?(WBA...lol) Someone who was nothing special at all, and had been fighting for 15 ****ing years....
And his biggest win, against Corrie no defense Sanders for the WBC belt...Once again, a guy that was nothing special and got LUCKY against Wlad...Face it, their is NOONE for them to fight, they will beat everyone's ass just as bad as the last guy because the division has only two fighters with real talent! Neither of them will ever be recognized as ATG because their is noone to fight to earn that respect!

Right - cause I can't say that Bob Foster was a BUM or McCall was a BUM, or Buster Douglas was a BUM. Nostalgia and nonsensical objective comparisons is all you Kltischko haters have.

Both Bros are going in the IBHOF, and whether you consider them top 10 ATGs or not, is irrelevant because I do and it seems like a lot of people are starting to change to my line of thinking with each victory. Like I said, enjoy watching your favorite HWs on ESPN Classic and I'll be watching mine live.