Excellent Article About the Klitschkos

[jrosales13]

I agree with every word of this article until the writer got to his third point. The HW division clearly isn't as strong as it has been in the past.

Still, that's not the Klitschkos fault. I think they would have thrived in any era in boxing, though they wouldn't be as dominant. Regardless of the talent pool, they are keeping the division clean as a whistle. I'm sorry, but they are active legends that should be appreciated while they are still here.

How is Vitaly a legend? He has beaten only 4 top 10 HWs throughout his career. That is it.

Really his best wins are Johnson, Sanders, Arreola, and Peter. Also add Gomez maybe...

That is not really a HOF worthy resume.

Style wise he could give every HW trouble sure why not. But, accomplishments and resumes he is not up there.

Wlad? Yes he is, most def a HOF'er and when is all said and done he could be in the top 10 ATG. So my issue is not that Wlad is not a legend. Even though I don't think he is. A legend is a pretty strong word.

But, Vitaly? How exactly?

[WladIsTheChamp]

You just trolling now.

Try to dispute anything I said then... Didn't the Klistchkos fight in the 90s? Didn't they destroy the same opponents that fought and even beat Holyfield, Lewis, and Tyson? So they fought in the same era that the Lewis, Holyfield, and Tyson fought in and the haters are calling their era weak? So using their logic, Holyfield, Lewis, and Tyson fought in a weak era as well then.

[WladIsTheChamp]

How is Vitaly a legend? He has beaten only 4 top 10 HWs throughout his career. That is it.

Really his best wins are Johnson, Sanders, Arreola, and Peter. Also add Gomez maybe...

That is not really a HOF worthy resume.

Style wise he could give every HW trouble sure why not. But, accomplishments and resumes he is not up there.

Wlad? Yes he is, most def a HOF'er and when is all said and done he could be in the top 10 ATG. So my issue is not that Wlad is not a legend. Even though I don't think he is. A legend is a pretty strong word.

But, Vitaly? How exactly?

How many champs in the history can claim the following 3 stats all at once - 3 time HW champ, 4 years off before returning and claiming a title in his first fight, highest KO% of any HW champ in history? NONE - Vitaly is going into the IBHOF, to think otherwise is to have a serious case of haterdom

[jrosales13]

How many champs in the history can claim the following 3 stats all at once - 3 time HW champ, 4 years off before returning and claiming a title in his first fight, highest KO% of any HW champ in history? NONE - Vitaly is going into the IBHOF, to think otherwise is to have a serious case of haterdom

No they didn't face the same opponents. Maybe the same names but not the same opponents. They fought the shot version.

To steal an IMDAZED line "is not who, but when"

Except for Wlad, he did beat some pretty good prime fighters. However, Rahman was not one of them. He was done by then.

But, not the same caliber of opponents that Holmes and Ali beat.

[jrosales13]

How many champs in the history can claim the following 3 stats all at once - 3 time HW champ, 4 years off before returning and claiming a title in his first fight, highest KO% of any HW champ in history? NONE - Vitaly is going into the IBHOF, to think otherwise is to have a serious case of haterdom

Your best wins being Sanders, Johnson, Peter, Arreola, and Gomez is not HOF material. To think otherwise is to have a serious case of nuthugging.

Primo Carnera has better wins then that. And, he is not in the HOF. Also has a very similar style to Vitaly.

[IIG]

Your best wins being Sanders, Johnson, Peter, Arreola, and Gomez is not HOF material. To think otherwise is to have a serious case of nuthugging.

Primo Carnera has better wins then that. And, he is not in the HOF. Also has a very similar style to Vitaly.

Damn, you don't give Vitali any credit. It's cool. You know what Vitali's resume and accomplishments are and if you aren't impressed, that's your opinion. That's why there is a vote for the HOF, and I think Vitali is a shoe in the first time around.

[jrosales13]

Damn, you don't give Vitali any credit. It's cool. You know what Vitali's resume and accomplishments are and if you aren't impressed, that's your opinion. That's why there is a vote for the HOF, and I think Vitali is a shoe in the first time around.

Really a shoe in? With his best wins being Peter, Sanders, Arreola, Gomez, and Johnson? That is a shoe in first ballot?

How are those wins HOF material.

I guess lets just keep on watering down the HOF.

Lets just put damn near every title holder in the HOF. Forget about beating the best just holding a title long enough should get you in.

Omar Narvaez is a shoe in.

Sven Ottke shoe in

Dariusz M shoe in.

[XionComrade]

Well then get ready for all the the other divisions to get even shi**er then because more Eastern Euros are picking up belts in all the other divisions as well, and not just the 160 and above. Wait till Vasiliy Lomachenko turns pro - you are going to say the lower weights suck as well after that.

Basically the HARDEST opponents for the Klits to fight are still weaker than the EASIEST that Ali,Holmes,Tyson,Lewis, Foreman, etc had to fight when they were champion...48? year old George Foreman beat Prime Shannon Briggs the same way Vitali beat old over the hill Briggs, just figured I would say that little fact....

[WladIsTheChamp]

No they didn't face the same opponents. Maybe the same names but not the same opponents. They fought the shot version.

To steal an IMDAZED line "is not who, but when"

Except for Wlad, he did beat some pretty good prime fighters. However, Rahman was not one of them. He was done by then.

But, not the same caliber of opponents that Holmes and Ali beat.

So Wlad vs Byrd I was not during Byrd's prime? Byrd beat Holyfield in case you forgot.

That's why I find these hater arguments hilarious, you keep moving the goal posts and never answer the questions:

Hater: "Who did they beat? They are fighting in a **** era, their opponents are bums"
Bros Fan: "They fought in the 90s, the same era Holyfield, Lewis, and Tyson fought in, and destroyed some of the same guys they beat or that beat them. Are you considering the 90s to be a crappy era then? If so, where does that put Tyson, Holyfield, and Lewis?"
Hater - No Answer to the questions and moves the goal post: "Well it doesn't matter if they beat the same guys, those guys weren't the same guys."
Bros Fan - "Oh so, you are saying you will not give Wlad credit for beating an older Mercer yet Tyson is an ATG for beating a shot old LHW Spinks and shot to hell Holmes? What about Lewis going full 12 with guys like Marovic? Or Mike getting KTFO by Buster Douglas"
Hater - "Oh 40 year old Holmes was still good but 40 year old Mercer wasn't. Marovic was better than anything on Vitaly's record. Buster's Mom died so he was Superman that night and besided, that wasn't Tyson's prime, his prime lasted only 1.5 years, he was already on the decline then."

Keep hatin... but you still haven't answered my question, how many HW Champs in the history of boxing accomplished what Vitaly accomplished?

[XionComrade]

Try to dispute anything I said then... Didn't the Klistchkos fight in the 90s? Didn't they destroy the same opponents that fought and even beat Holyfield, Lewis, and Tyson? So they fought in the same era that the Lewis, Holyfield, and Tyson fought in and the haters are calling their era weak? So using their logic, Holyfield, Lewis, and Tyson fought in a weak era as well then.

Oh yeah, I saw that fight where Derpie Hyde gave Holyfield brain damage in! I also saw the one where Axel Schulz KOed Mike Tyson and Lennox lewis, Schulz would have been a ATG if Wlad hadn't killed him....Oh wait....Your just a ****tard. The Klitschkos fought fighters that were less than nothing in the 90s...Get off their nuttsacks...