Comments Thread For: Victor Ortiz vs Lamont Peterson Set For December 11

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Great fight, great card.

Peterson brings a much better fight then anybody else at 140 who isn't tied up. Kotelnik would have been too straight forward for Victor, and Ortiz would have pounded out a decision over the tough Ukrainian in a similar vain to Khan.

Lamont is a skillfull individual, who faltered to the best man at 140 of the moment.

I think the fight would be close for the first 4 rounds as both men try to adjust to the opposing style, but Ortiz will eventually find his way through and possibly stop Peterson around the 10th round. He needs to make a statement.

Looks to me 140 is finally gonna sort out the best against the best fiasco, and we should see a new king of the pound for pound ranks emerge.

[starkiller]

I'm wondering if the peterson brothers can redeem themselves and start beating solid opponents like Ortiz or if they can only beat contenders. If Peterson wins he deserves a heap load of credit in my opinion, that means the only loss he would have is to the great Bradley.

[ghost deini]

i don't really care for this Ortiz kid tbh

i don't think he will ever mentally recover from what Maidana did to him as soon as he gets taken into deep waters again he's going to drown

whether Peterson can be the one to do that i don't know i doubt it

should be a good solid competative fight one which Ortiz hasn't had since losing to Maidana

[Rome-By-Ko]

Great fight, great card.

Peterson brings a much better fight then anybody else at 140 who isn't tied up. Kotelnik would have been too straight forward for Victor, and Ortiz would have pounded out a decision over the tough Ukrainian in a similar vain to Khan.

Lamont is a skillfull individual, who faltered to the best man at 140 of the moment.

I think the fight would be close for the first 4 rounds as both men try to adjust to the opposing style, but Ortiz will eventually find his way through and possibly stop Peterson around the 10th round. He needs to make a statement.

Looks to me 140 is finally gonna sort out the best against the best fiasco, and we should see a new king of the pound for pound ranks emerge.

This is how I see that fight going it is a really good one..I think this Div has the most toss up's in it..

[Kimo]

Good fight! looking forward to seeing Vicious in action again!

[JDezi4]

1.A tough fight is a tough fight brother,weather you are getting out boxed or pummeled it's all mental and physical at the same time..How you respond is key..Ortiz had a shot to change his tactics in that fight and chose to go balls out with his opponent..Yes his opponent is a world class puncher,but that's the choice he made..

Just an example of a young guy making a mistake he can learn from.

2.You talk about Ortiz still learning and being young as if Peterson has been in the game for yrs..Peterson is a lil older and they are just about the same age in boxing yrs..Like I said in this thread before they are both green but neither are prospects..They are yet both still learning,

I never said Peterson wasn't learning too, I was just reminding u that Ortiz could learn from the mistakes he made in the Maidana fights. There was more for Ortiz to learn in that fight (changing up styles, fight smart, repercussions of quitting in this sport), than there was for Peterson to learn (Change up styles... maybe try a plan b or c).

but you can't learn heart or will..Those tools ya just have..

This is a common error people make. Yes, to a certain extent heart is something u have to already have in order to excel in most sports. However, people don't know that it actually can be taught. What people don't realize is the words HEART and WILL r just synonyms to the term MENTAL TOUGHNESS. Think what they do in the military. There r multiple ways to teach a person mental toughness, and I've already explained the minimum. Where Ortiz will now know what will await him (with the fans) if he quits, he'll think about that, and weigh that against going the distance while taking a beating. That is what he (hopefully) learned.

3.I think we both might be giving these fighters too much credit,neither won their respective big fights..Neither has fought anyone since their lost,and both are learning and green..Which is why this fight is not as cut and dry as you say buddy..

What we both know about these 2 is that Ortiz has the ability to KO Peterson with one punch. I'm sure this and my other 5 comments established this by now. And really, that's all we need to know. I didn't say that the fight WILL FOR SURE end in a first or second round KO. I'm merely saying it can, and that there's a good chance it will. There's a far better chance Ortiz KO's Peterson in the first round than there is that Peterson makes Ortiz quit.

4.I never ever not once said the Ortiz Maidana fight would be the same..Just pointing out when Ortiz was pressured and back into a corner he did not like it,and could not adjust and quit..

And I've pointed out a couple of different times Peterson doesn't have what Maidana had. And that's monstrous punching power. That is the major difference between them. I've already said that it's not just PRESSURE that will make Ortiz quit, it's that specific kind of pressure. Diaz and Alatorre already administered the same kind of pressure against Ortiz that Peterson will. Maybe the younger, more skilled Peterson will tweak that one way or another, but it's basically the same. And we know how Ortiz handled the pressure from those 2. It shouldn't be too much harder handling Petersons.

I don't know what fight you were watching when it look like Peterson gave up(Or as you said going threw the motions)Peterson was in it to win it and most ring side Judges had him losing a very close decision..

First of all, any judge that gave Peterson more than one or 2 rounds is on crack.
Second of all, believe me, I'm a huge Bradley fan (more so than an Ortiz fan) and I watched that fight a million times. From I believe it was round 5 to round 12 Peterson did the same thing over and over. There was not a single change in his style. And it was from rounds 5 to 12 that Bradley officially adjusted to Peterson's style. So basically from 5 to 12 it was smooth sailing for Bradley since he already adjusted to Peterson's style, and Peterson wasn't changing anything up. That was just going through the motions.

5.My speech(as you call it)was not a speech at all it is tho,how I and many others(which is why Ortiz lost so many fans)feel boxing is about..Fighting threw adversity..It's a fight,and some of the greatest fights in this sports history fighters had to endure much worse then Ortiz did..Difference is Ortiz quit and did not fight on..

yes... But these facts don't make the speech (sorry, I don't know what else to call it now) any less irrelevant to the conversation.

6.You did say if Bradley knockdown Peterson then Ortiz could KO him or knockdown Peterson cause Bradley did it..But Bradley knockdown Peterson with a bow behind the head not a hit on the chin..Once again I like Ortiz in this fight but won't be counting out Peterson just off of what history has shown me of Ortiz..

Understood...

Oh and as far as the Harris fight,Harris is a bum you know it I know it every real boxing fan knows it..No point in even bringing his name up..Ortiz fight with him was nothing more then smoking mirrors..Peterson is not Ortiz..

Lmao, I had a feeling u'd say something like this. I just didn't want to specify cuz I just felt the message was long enough already. But here is goes...
What I meant was the point in the Harris fight, which I believe was the end of round 2, where Ortiz was going for the Kill, and Harris landed a pretty good right that seemed to have stunned Ortiz. What happened next was proof he learned something from the Maidana fight. What Ortiz did was stop going for the kill, as he understood the guy he just knocked down 2 (or maybe 3) times was still a live opponent, and he went back to taking his time (boo-yah ). If he'd have done that in the Maidana fight, he'd be looked at a little differently now, don't u agree?

Btw, I think u meant "Peterson is not Harris"

[awas88]

Dan Rafael twitter:

Was told that the Victor Ortiz-Lamont Peterson fight terms have been agreed to, although not signed.

[punchDrUnK MONK]

lamont is a BEASTTT, his fight with tim bradley was amazing

[TRAV1$]

Great card
Peterson had his moments against Bradley, but I can't see him beating Ortiz.

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