Comments Thread For: Victor Ortiz vs Lamont Peterson Set For December 11

[FloydTBE]

Ortiz got this by UD for me

[Danny Gunz]

Great fight that has been made. Love these two fighters cant wait for the card.

Im not gonna lie the promoters have really been stepping it up making these 140 fights. Hopefully this can continue.

[HARLEM AL]

Peterson overrated but Ortiz is not?

[Phenom]

Peterson overrated but Ortiz is not?

if anything Ortiz is underrated he is not even ranked top 5 by most even tho I think he beats them all IMO

[Rome-By-Ko]

peterson will get sparked out if ortiz has the balls to fight like pac instead of run like floyd. peterson was rocked on multiple occasions by featherfisted timmah bradley. if ortiz stops running long enough to put enough leverage into his punches, he should be able to KO peterson.

Pull you are on sometimes then you are off other times..Bradley hits hard and fights at a hard Pace..Ortiz is a much stronger puncher but does not fight at Bradley's pace which will take away from his power cause he won't get his hands extended for power..Ortiz is not that good on the inside he is better on the outside he can extended his arms for much more power..Peterson would and could hurt Ortiz,and is Ortiz does not respect Peterson's power that's exactly what will happen..

[Rome-By-Ko]

Ortiz quit more or less becuz if not, he was likely on his way to getting KO'd. After the cut, it was all Maidana. It wasn't like Ortiz just gave up at a certain point in the fight at complete random. The cut clearly bothered him, from there he was just getting hit flush, and had little if any offense in return, than he quit. And at the point when he quit, one eye was cut, the other was swollen almost shut. In a matter of speaking, he was blind. Now, IDK if this is for the reason, cuz I'm not him. But from that it's a little easier to understand quitting. Lots of people, in fact, most people, just think there was a point in the fight where Ortiz just gave up, but he had good reasons from what I saw: taking flush shots, blind in both eyes, no longer able to administer affective offense.

The point of me explaining that is just to point out, it's not just any little bit of pressure that will cause Ortiz to quit. Everything was going wrong for him in that fight at the point he quit. Lamont Peterson doesn't have anywhere near Maidana's power, so Ortiz should be able to handle anything dishes while administering the pressure.

And the reason why it's not foolish to say the word EASY is becuz simply put (based off of the whole power analysis in my last comment) Ortiz could catch Peterson in the first round and knock him out. It's a 50% chance or more that Ortiz knocks Peterson out with any punch he lands. And that could easily happen in the first round. That's where the word EASY comes in.

I'm so glad I don't get a minimum of 500 characters so I can really say what I want to say

Damn you sure have alot of stock in Ortiz's power and lil of any respect for Peterson at All really..You don't know what Peterson can take and what he can't take,but I know I seen Peterson in a hard fight he was losing and he fought hard to get back in it and did not look bad trying to do it..On the other hand I seen a kid getting his ass beat and not fighting his fight(Which is not pressure by the way)getting lured into a brawl and getting the blows put on him by a fighter who did not have nearly the skills of Ortiz..Which lets me know he has natural ability but just may not have the heart to win a fight if he gets in one..Please what kind of excuse is he could not see out his eyes or his eye was cut or puffed up??This is boxing that Happens..What if Corrales would have quit??We would never have gotten one of the best fights of this era..No?What about Gatti,Ward,Morrales,Pac,Marquez,ect ect..When in a fight you have to find out how to adapt to the fighter in front of you..Or how to dig deep and say it's me or you and it damn sure an't gonna be me...

Ortiz has not shown that yet,Peterson has..So once again I believe it is very Foolish to count Peterson out..I said it before I favor Ortiz but won't be surprised at an upset..

BTW..Did you see Bradley drop Peterson??It was a chopping blow behind the ear had nothing to do with Peterson's chin..

[Phenom]

Ortiz quit more or less becuz if not, he was likely on his way to getting KO'd. After the cut, it was all Maidana. It wasn't like Ortiz just gave up at a certain point in the fight at complete random. The cut clearly bothered him, from there he was just getting hit flush, and had little if any offense in return, than he quit. And at the point when he quit, one eye was cut, the other was swollen almost shut. In a matter of speaking, he was blind. Now, IDK if this is for the reason, cuz I'm not him. But from that it's a little easier to understand quitting. Lots of people, in fact, most people, just think there was a point in the fight where Ortiz just gave up, but he had good reasons from what I saw: taking flush shots, blind in both eyes, no longer able to administer affective offense.

The point of me explaining that is just to point out, it's not just any little bit of pressure that will cause Ortiz to quit. Everything was going wrong for him in that fight at the point he quit. Lamont Peterson doesn't have anywhere near Maidana's power, so Ortiz should be able to handle anything dishes while administering the pressure.

And the reason why it's not foolish to say the word EASY is becuz simply put (based off of the whole power analysis in my last comment) Ortiz could catch Peterson in the first round and knock him out. It's a 50% chance or more that Ortiz knocks Peterson out with any punch he lands. And that could easily happen in the first round. That's where the word EASY comes in.

I'm so glad I don't get a minimum of 500 characters so I can really say what I want to say

this man speaks the truth

after that cut Ortiz was fighting blind getting hit flush with power shots. his corner put him in a bad spot they should have stopped the fight

[JDezi4]

U saw a 25 year old MAN named Peterson fighting on when he was getting outskilled. He wasn't getting badley beat up like Ortiz was, he was getting outboxed. U saw a 22 year old Ortiz quit when he was on the verge of getting knocked out, and if he didn't get knocked out, it would've been even worse.

It doesn't really take an amazing person to fight on when he's getting outskilled. It's called going through the motions, which is what Peterson was doing. It would've been different if Peterson, say, changed up his style in some way in order to show he was trying to win. But at a certain point, he stopped trying to win, and was just going through the motions until the end of the fight. That in itself is quitting. It just doesn't look as bad to the untrained eye.

I already explained the swollen eye and the cut clearly bothered him. U explained that he was fighting his opponent's fight. That's a common mistake young guys make that they can learn hugely from, which it seems Victor has (See the Harris fight). That can at least tell us Victor will try a different style the second time around, whether it be against Maidana, Rios, Peterson or any other pressure fighter. What was going through his head at the point he quit (taking into mind he was only 22) was "I can't fight anymore, than there's no point in continuing" (let me clarify by saying that this COULD BE what was going through his head, I couldn't be sure). At the time he wasn't concerned with what the fans would think, he was concerned about his own health. What we can assume the difference will be in a similar situation, is that he's learned what happens with the fans when he quits. Hopefully he'll think, "If I quit, the fans will hate me again" and that will discourage him from quitting again.

Wut ur doing is giving Peterson too much credit, and Ortiz not enough. U, like most people, don't notice the little things. The less obvious things. For example, u didn't realize that Peterson chose to fight on in a fight that's more embarrassing than hazardous to his health. Ortiz quit in a fight against a guy that could knock his head off with a good enough right hand at a point in which both his defense and offense were lacking.

Looking at the Maidana fight and assuming the Peterson fight would be even remotely similar is more foolish than thinking Ortiz would KO Peterson easy.

About me not knowing what Peterson can take and what he can't take... I know just as much as much about it as u, I just look at it differently

And about the whole "This is boxing that Happens" speech u made... It was very unnecessary and random. I already talked about the whole LEARNING thing Victor is still going through, so I won't again.

BTW..Did JDezi4 ever bring up Bradley's knockdown over Peterson? No he didn't. In fact, I don't even think I brought up Peterson's chin a single time in this thread. I may have, I just don't think so. That being said, Ortiz has the power to KO people with good chins, so whether Peterson has a weak chin, or Bradley's true punching power just surfaced that night, we've established that if Bradley Has the power to do it, Ortiz has more than enough to do the same.

DAMN IT FEELS SO GOOD TO BE ABLE TO SAY ALL THIS IN ONE COMMENT!!!!!!!

[the_ilest]

U saw a 25 year old MAN named Peterson fighting on when he was getting outskilled. He wasn't getting badley beat up like Ortiz was, he was getting outboxed. U saw a 22 year old Ortiz quit when he was on the verge of getting knocked out, and if he didn't get knocked out, it would've been even worse.

It doesn't really take an amazing person to fight on when he's getting outskilled. It's called going through the motions, which is what Peterson was doing. It would've been different if Peterson, say, changed up his style in some way in order to show he was trying to win. But at a certain point, he stopped trying to win, and was just going through the motions until the end of the fight. That in itself is quitting. It just doesn't look as bad to the untrained eye.

I already explained the swollen eye and the cut clearly bothered him. U explained that he was fighting his opponent's fight. That's a common mistake young guys make that they can learn hugely from, which it seems Victor has (See the Harris fight). That can at least tell us Victor will try a different style the second time around, whether it be against Maidana, Rios, Peterson or any other pressure fighter. What was going through his head at the point he quit (taking into mind he was only 22) was "I can't fight anymore, than there's no point in continuing" (let me clarify by saying that this COULD BE what was going through his head, I couldn't be sure). At the time he wasn't concerned with what the fans would think, he was concerned about his own health. What we can assume the difference will be in a similar situation, is that he's learned what happens with the fans when he quits. Hopefully he'll think, "If I quit, the fans will hate me again" and that will discourage him from quitting again.

Wut ur doing is giving Peterson too much credit, and Ortiz not enough. U, like most people, don't notice the little things. The less obvious things. For example, u didn't realize that Peterson chose to fight on in a fight that's more embarrassing than hazardous to his health. Ortiz quit in a fight against a guy that could knock his head off with a good enough right hand at a point in which both his defense and offense were lacking.

Looking at the Maidana fight and assuming the Peterson fight would be even remotely similar is more foolish than thinking Ortiz would KO Peterson easy.

About me not knowing what Peterson can take and what he can't take... I know just as much as much about it as u, I just look at it differently

And about the whole "This is boxing that Happens" speech u made... It was very unnecessary and random. I already talked about the whole LEARNING thing Victor is still going through, so I won't again.

BTW..Did JDezi4 ever bring up Bradley's knockdown over Peterson? No he didn't. In fact, I don't even think I brought up Peterson's chin a single time in this thread. I may have, I just don't think so. That being said, Ortiz has the power to KO people with good chins, so whether Peterson has a weak chin, or Bradley's true punching power just surfaced that night, we've established that if Bradley Has the power to do it, Ortiz has more than enough to do the same.

DAMN IT FEELS SO GOOD TO BE ABLE TO SAY ALL THIS IN ONE COMMENT!!!!!!!

ok you can close this thread now. everything is covered in this post. but damn ****en i want this damn fight to get signed already. i dont want to go to las vegas just to see maidana fight, i need more good fights to even feel like going to vegas. i bought 4 tickets for the fight so i better get my money worth. i just need another good fight and ill be happy.

[Rome-By-Ko]

U saw a 25 year old MAN named Peterson fighting on when he was getting outskilled. He wasn't getting badley beat up like Ortiz was, he was getting outboxed. U saw a 22 year old Ortiz quit when he was on the verge of getting knocked out, and if he didn't get knocked out, it would've been even worse.

It doesn't really take an amazing person to fight on when he's getting outskilled. It's called going through the motions, which is what Peterson was doing. It would've been different if Peterson, say, changed up his style in some way in order to show he was trying to win. But at a certain point, he stopped trying to win, and was just going through the motions until the end of the fight. That in itself is quitting. It just doesn't look as bad to the untrained eye.

I already explained the swollen eye and the cut clearly bothered him. U explained that he was fighting his opponent's fight. That's a common mistake young guys make that they can learn hugely from, which it seems Victor has (See the Harris fight). That can at least tell us Victor will try a different style the second time around, whether it be against Maidana, Rios, Peterson or any other pressure fighter. What was going through his head at the point he quit (taking into mind he was only 22) was "I can't fight anymore, than there's no point in continuing" (let me clarify by saying that this COULD BE what was going through his head, I couldn't be sure). At the time he wasn't concerned with what the fans would think, he was concerned about his own health. What we can assume the difference will be in a similar situation, is that he's learned what happens with the fans when he quits. Hopefully he'll think, "If I quit, the fans will hate me again" and that will discourage him from quitting again.

Wut ur doing is giving Peterson too much credit, and Ortiz not enough. U, like most people, don't notice the little things. The less obvious things. For example, u didn't realize that Peterson chose to fight on in a fight that's more embarrassing than hazardous to his health. Ortiz quit in a fight against a guy that could knock his head off with a good enough right hand at a point in which both his defense and offense were lacking.

Looking at the Maidana fight and assuming the Peterson fight would be even remotely similar is more foolish than thinking Ortiz would KO Peterson easy.

About me not knowing what Peterson can take and what he can't take... I know just as much as much about it as u, I just look at it differently

And about the whole "This is boxing that Happens" speech u made... It was very unnecessary and random. I already talked about the whole LEARNING thing Victor is still going through, so I won't again.

BTW..Did JDezi4 ever bring up Bradley's knockdown over Peterson? No he didn't. In fact, I don't even think I brought up Peterson's chin a single time in this thread. I may have, I just don't think so. That being said, Ortiz has the power to KO people with good chins, so whether Peterson has a weak chin, or Bradley's true punching power just surfaced that night, we've established that if Bradley Has the power to do it, Ortiz has more than enough to do the same.

DAMN IT FEELS SO GOOD TO BE ABLE TO SAY ALL THIS IN ONE COMMENT!!!!!!!

1.A tough fight is a tough fight brother,weather you are getting out boxed or pummeled it's all mental and physical at the same time..How you respond is key..Ortiz had a shot to change his tactics in that fight and chose to go balls out with his opponent..Yes his opponent is a world class puncher,but that's the choice he made..

2.You talk about Ortiz still learning and being young as if Peterson has been in the game for yrs..Peterson is a lil older and they are just about the same age in boxing yrs..Like I said in this thread before they are both green but neither are prospects..They are yet both still learning,but you can't learn heart or will..Those tools ya just have..

3.I think we both might be giving these fighters too much credit,neither won their respective big fights..Neither has fought anyone since their lost,and both are learning and green..Which is why this fight is not as cut and dry as you say buddy..

4.I never ever not once said the Ortiz Maidana fight would be the same..Just pointing out when Ortiz was pressured and back into a corner he did not like it,and could not adjust and quit..I don't know what fight you were watching when it look like Peterson gave up(Or as you said going threw the motions)Peterson was in it to win it and most ring side Judges had him losing a very close decision..

5.My speech(as you call it)was not a speech at all it is tho,how I and many others(which is why Ortiz lost so many fans)feel boxing is about..Fighting threw adversity..It's a fight,and some of the greatest fights in this sports history fighters had to endure much worse then Ortiz did..Difference is Ortiz quit and did not fight on..

6.You did say if Bradley knockdown Peterson then Ortiz could KO him or knockdown Peterson cause Bradley did it..But Bradley knockdown Peterson with a bow behind the head not a hit on the chin..Once again I like Ortiz in this fight but won't be counting out Peterson just off of what history has shown me of Ortiz..Oh and as far as the Harris fight,Harris is a bum you know it I know it every real boxing fan knows it..No point in even bringing his name up..Ortiz fight with him was nothing more then smoking mirrors..Peterson is not Ortiz..