Comments Thread For: Klitschko's Cutman on Wladimir Poisoned, Briggs' Asthma

[Bastian Loc]

You're posting in the wrong forum. Your post belongs in the conspiracy theories lounge.

You're posting in the wrong forum. Your post belongs in the know it all **** forum.

Both fights were equally 1 sided, except in the second fight Wladimir wasn't the victim of chicanery and finished Brewster easily.

Brewster was all but done in the first fight but was spared once the drugs kicked in and sapped Wladdy of his Man Power™.

[kenso]

i think wladimirs output in the mercer fight was similar to the brewster fight - he was throwing a bunch of punches and didn't get ungodly tired by the 5th round. i think he is prone to getting tired just like anyone else, but he didn't look tired to me, he looked like something was WRONG you know?

anyway - i think the poisoning thing is likely just a bad accusation. even if they really believe he was poisoned, they still should have left it out of the press so they wouldn't look as bad. although i don't think he was poisoned, in my opinion there is reason to believe that something was definitely wrong with the guy - something more than just being 'tired'. maybe he was sick or something, and just didn't know it.

regardless, i don't think its much of a win for brewster - he barely landed anything clean and devastating. he basically just took the beating of his life and eventually wladimir fell over. exciting fight while it lasted - but not a good one for klitschko fans ha ha

[Who are you?]

Anything can happen in life, and yes it is *possible* (but unlikely) that Wladimir was poisoned.

Wladimir as proved in the rematch, is a much better fighter than Lamon. Even in the first fight Wlad was dominating and suddenyl just seemed to meltdown in the ring.

Personally I believe Wlad was probably not feeling his best, was tired, and maybe not mentally prepared.

He's really improved as a fighter since then tho.

[Motofan]

Because some poster makes up conspiracy theories, without providing any evidence to back up what they say?

No, thats why I said "may". If what he said is true then yeah, Im willing to give it some thought.

[Ray*]

Wlad punch himself out period, There is a reason why he doesnt fight like that anymore, Now he pace himself better and clinch better so he doesnt take any dangerous shot. Boxers egos would never allow them to deal with a lose in the right way.

[Dave Rado]

Brewster was all but done in the first fight but was spared once the drugs kicked in and sapped Wladdy of his Man Power™.

You should go on stage with your comedy act.

[Dave Rado]

No, thats why I said "may". If what he said is true then yeah, Im willing to give it some thought.

But as there's no evidence whatsoever that it is true, why even bother saying that?

[Dave Rado]

Wlad punch himself out period, There is a reason why he doesnt fight like that anymore, Now he pace himself better and clinch better so he doesnt take any dangerous shot. Boxers egos would never allow them to deal with a lose in the right way.

Exactly ...

[Dave Rado]

No doubt!
The blood tests were made,they were available and they didn't reveal nothing,that is the reason why they don't have nothing to backup this ridiculous claim.This is terrible propaganda who hurts the k brothers.
Last week Vitali said that he won against Lewis,now they come up with a ridiculous lie.This is getting ridiculous and of course crazy kids support their idols.The k brothers are instigating these lies and this isn't good to the sport.
Wlad threw too many punches against Brewster and he started losing too much energy, he simply gassed out completely,because he was unable to control the rhythm.



Dr. Margaret Goodman is the chairwoman of the Nevada State Athletic Commission's medical advisory board and has, since the appointment of Dr. Flip Homansky to the NSAC, served as Nevada's chief ringside physician. She was in the ring and attending to Klitschko seconds after Byrd stopped the fight.

"When I got to the ring Wladimir initially seemed alert and responsive," recalled Goodman, "but then back in the corner he began to exhibit changes. He seemed increasingly lethargic, and within a few minutes became less responsive to questioning."

Dr. Goodman ascribed this to a "transitory loss of consciousness" - in layman's terms, Wladimir was "out on his feet."

"There was an inequality in the pupils," said Goodman, who recognized this as another cause for concern.

"My immediate concern was that there might be a cerebral injury - either bleeding or swelling on the brain," she said. "Or possibly, he had been hit directly in the eye."

Under Goodman's instruction, Klitschko was immediately transported by ambulance to the trauma center at the University Medical Center in Las Vegas. He was accompanied on this journey by EMTs, by a neurologist, Dr. Albert Capanna, by Vitali Klitschko, and by Emanuel Steward (whose name is somewhat bewilderingly spelled "Emmanuel" in Burstein's letter to the US Attorney's office).

On the short trip to the hospital Klitschko was fitted with an IV, a standard precautionary measure in emergency-room situations like this, simply because should the worst happen, the IV will already be in place; were the patient to, just for instance, suddenly go into convulsions it would be much more difficult to hook him up to an IV.

Under normal circumstances the standard IV would be a D5½NS, which includes a glucose solution. Dr. Goodman was not in the ambulance but noted that "we usually don't use glucose" in connection with potential brain injuries. Still, it is entirely possible that Wladimir Klitschko was either given D5½NS, or, if the EMTs feared a hypoglycemic reaction, they might pushed an ampule of an even more heavily concentrated glucose substance called D50 to replenish Klitschko's blood sugar. It may well have been that the EMTs, who are NOT brain surgeons, administered the most handy available IV. Either would certainly explain the subsequent - and temporary - elevation in his blood sugar.

"We don't know what was in the IV," said Dr. Goodman.

At the hospital Klitschko was administered a full battery of tests, including a CAT scan, and the pupil inequality resolved on its own. To Goodman's relief her initial diagnosis of a Grade 3 concussion was confirmed and her fears of more serious cerebral injury were not. Following the brain examinations, several other routine procedures were followed. All were normal save the blood-sugar level, which was 232, which physicians uniformly agree was "elevated, but not dangerous."

Despite having ruled out their gravest fears, attending physicians wanted Klitschko to remain in the hospital overnight for observation - for the concussion, NOT for the blood sugar, which at that point wasn't even a concern. Dr. Wladimir Klitschko at this point conferred with Dr. Vitali Klitschko and decided to check himself out of the hospital. After signing a form that he was doing so "against medical advice," the two Klitschkos left, accompanied by Steward.

The next morning they had contacted an independent lab called Quest and had repeat blood work done. Everything was normal, including the sugar level. They requested the specimens from UMH and were given the proper phone numbers and instructions for the protocol involved in obtaining these. Although this information was repeatedly provided to the Klitschkos and their representatives over the next several days, they never followed through.

Although blood work and lab specimens which have yielded positive results would be preserved, samples whose results were unremarkable and normal would routinely be disposed of in a week to ten days. The Klitschko camp was provided with phone numbers and ample warning, but in the absence of a response the samples were destroyed.
"The truth of what happened to Mr. Klitschko" is that he got smacked upside the head by Mr. Brewster. And what would have been highly irregular would have been the preservation of the specimens after the normal expiration period.

The independent lab work done for the Klitschkos by Quest tested for over 100 substances, and even included a toxicology scan on Wladimir's boxing trunks, which were thoughtfully provided to the lab the next day.


Between Quest's tests and those done at UMH after the fight, the only remotely abnormal result was the blood sugar level drawn after the CAT scan had been completed, and that had resolved by the next morning. The 232 level - again, "elevated but not dangerous" - could have several possible explanations, but the IV in the ambulance remains the most likely one.

In other words, if Klitschko (and Burstein, who ought to know better) are going to throw around charges of "foul play," let's hear some specifics. What mysterious substance is this that would cause Wladimir to get his ass kicked and then disappear altogether?

"How come all of the screens have been normal and nothing has come up?" said Dr. Goodman to the Las Vegas Review Journal's Ross Feour last week after Burstein went public with his letter.

Noting that Klischko had nearly knocked Brewster out in the fourth round, she asked "How could a drug be that transient? Why wouldn't the tests be more abnormal? How come nothing is showing anything?"

"What is it," Goodman asked us over the weekend, "that they THINK he was given?"
The assembled evidence suggests that Wladmir Klitschko ought to be grateful for the medical assistance with which he was provided and thankful for his physical safety. Instead he continues to whine like a child.

And it's not as if this hasn't happened before. Did somebody slip Wladimir a mickey before the Corrie Sanders fight? Was he drugged against Ross Purrity? Was it some mysterious substance that made Vitali against Chris Byrd? Was Lennox Lewis able to bust up

Vitali because his gloves were loaded?

Oops, sorry. Forget that last one. Judd Burstein represented LENNOX back then.

As LeTombeur said, great post but you should cite your source. I've googled it and the source is a pretty reputable one: the article was written by Thomas Hauser, who is the chairman of the Boxing Writers Association of America's membership committee. His original article on SecondsOut.com, can be read here.

Anyone who reads that article through with anything approaching an open mind would realise that all the conspiracy theories are just fantasies.

[Hitman932]

Let's not lose track of the point here.

Boxingscene had a chance to interview a legend like Jacob Duran and the 2nd best question they could think of was "Do you think Joe Souza poisoned Wladimir Klitschko?"

No wonder the interview ended before it started, what a ****** ****ing question to ask him.