I think Wlad Hits Harder Than Prime Tyson...

[XionComrade]

I disagree on Shavers being the hardest puncher in history. His power is extremely overrated and mostly a result of hearsay, propaganda and fighter quotes (which aren't always accurate and frequently contradictory). He had the power to stun fighters and the instinct to finish them off most times, but I could count the number of one-hit knockouts he's had against semi-decent opposition on the fingers of one hand.



Nope. Wlad and Tua are eminently comparable to Foreman. Wlad is heavier than Foreman, taller than Foreman, quicker than Foreman and has better technique than Foreman. He's also knocked more opponents unconscious than Foreman. You can harp on about quality of opposition all you like but to say they aren't even in the same ballpark is delusional golden era nuthuggery at its finest. As for Tua, he's the hardest hitter in heavyweight history. Period.

Geezus man, it never ends. Tillis, Ali, Holmes, Lyle, Norton...All of them say that SHAVERS is the hardest puncher they ever faced. Are you another guy that is going to call them all liars? Yeah Wlad's technique is a whole new universe from Foreman's, which was fairly crappy. But Foreman's power IS a whole new galaxy from Wlad's. The punching power of the two is not even comparable

Did anyone ever say that Shavers was a great finisher? Or a great fighter? No, but still he is regarded as the hardest hitter in history. Tua would have taken him, Tua can go the distance and has a IRON chin, not to mention deadly combinations.

Shavers couldn't land a clean blow to save his life, but did take out Jimmy Young, something Foreman didn't manage to do. And did collect Ron Lyle with a glancing left hook, something that took Foreman 4 rounds of constant flush shots to do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wphr_Zaaqjw
Tua's power is nothing to joke about, and he probably hit harder than bum **** Sam Peter the one trick pony ever did. But not harder than Foreman, Shavers, or Baer. Above Tyson's power,obviously, but below Foreman and Shavers, obviously. I have always said that the true hardest hitter is probably some damn bum Journeyman that has never landed a punch on a single fighter, skill has nothing do do with this, I am talking about raw power.

[nomadman]

I just saw the Klit-Rahman fight...Note that Lennox Lewis KTFOed Rahman in what, 4 rounds? And I mean KTFOed him, Klit failed to do this, and also failed to really hurt Rahman. Rahman was old and way over the hill in that fight, and ontop of that was a talentless slow blob in his prime. Edge wayyyyyy over to Lennox Lewis.

Are you talking to me? If so, then you should know that I consider Lennox to one of the hardest punchers in HW history. Harder than Wlad. However, you have to factor into the fact that Wlad likes to take his time with his opponents, play it safe and wait until his opponents pose absolutely no danger whatsoever before moving in for the kill. It's all to do with the nature of his past losses and to be honest rather silly, since I think Wlad can take a better shot than many (including himself) give him credit for.

[Siggy]

I just saw the Klit-Rahman fight...Note that Lennox Lewis KTFOed Rahman in what, 4 rounds? And I mean KTFOed him, Klit failed to do this, and also failed to really hurt Rahman. Rahman was old and way over the hill in that fight, and ontop of that was a talentless slow blob in his prime. Edge wayyyyyy over to Lennox Lewis.

to be fair, that punch lennox landed was one of the most hellacious punches landed in the history of boxing.

[XionComrade]

it depends on the individual fight.....you don't make sense. foreman didn't even really catch ali with anything solid when they fought. ali was on the ropes dodging most of foremans big shots. SHAVERS ACTUALLY CAUGHT ALI MULTIPLE TIMES.

those are 2 diffrent styles of fights. not taking anything from shavers though because he was a hell of a puncher......but you can't run around & compare 2 different styles of fights (ali shavers/ali foreman) when different gameplans was implemented by ali in those 2 fights. ali was more scared of foremans power thats why he got hit less. he wasn't so scared of shavers thats why he got hit more (COMMON SENSE)

& the point i was trying to make with ali saying rocky would beat him is that....it's just a thing of respect. i believe evander said foreman hits harder then tyson just to give respect to the legend.

Ali took countless shots from Foreman, to the body. He took several to the body from Mr.3round Shavers also. He only got hit in the head a handful of times, but was hit flush near the end of the fight. Shavers punched, but only punched once. He wasn't going to get Ali out of the fight at any point. Foreman punched...and punched...and punched. First time he stunned even Ali it would have been over. Foreman was a much better fighter, and much more terrifying that Shavers ever was, hence the reason for the care.

Ali said Shavers hit harder, that makes sense, and it is what you have to go by. Ron Lyle said Shavers hit harder, its on my youtube channel, that makes sense. Jimmy Young said the same thing, and Shavers KOed him. Norton was KOed in 1 round and said the same thing....Since the footage for Shavers on the bag is insanely expensive Hearsay is all we have to go buy. Crushing two vertebrae in Smith's neck is something Foreman nor Tyson ever did to a opponent...

Why would Evander Lie about something like that? Did Evander ever seem the type to lie? Even TYSON said that guys like Foreman and Shavers hit MUCH harder than he did, and Tyson should know, he is a student of the sport >.< All of these videos are in my channel....

[XionComrade]

Are you talking to me? If so, then you should know that I consider Lennox to one of the hardest punchers in HW history. Harder than Wlad. However, you have to factor into the fact that Wlad likes to take his time with his opponents, play it safe and wait until his opponents pose absolutely no danger whatsoever before moving in for the kill. It's all to do with the nature of his past losses and to be honest rather silly, since I think Wlad can take a better shot than many (including himself) give him credit for.

No I was just throwing that out their lol

You have to understand the divide between punching power and just how huge the scope is...Wlad dominated the reputed hardest hitter today, Sam Peter, TWICE. He was knocked down 3 times in a short time period, but quickly shook it off and preceded to just rip him a new one. Peter is nothing compared to a Foreman(215lbs) or a Shavers(210lbs) in raw power, and I do not think anyone would argue with that. Lewis hit hard because...well...he did hit hard...and like Tyson and Wlad could land any shot from any angle and simply get past the guard. Foreman and Shavers got their KOs by hitting the guard, not very technical, but very powerful.

[DET. IRONSIDE]

Are you talking to me? If so, then you should know that I consider Lennox to one of the hardest punchers in HW history. Harder than Wlad. However, you have to factor into the fact that Wlad likes to take his time with his opponents, play it safe and wait until his opponents pose absolutely no danger whatsoever before moving in for the kill. It's all to do with the nature of his past losses and to be honest rather silly, since I think Wlad can take a better shot than many (including himself) give him credit for.

Thinking about it I don't think that chin could last 9 rounds with a prime Tyson, with Cus in his corner.

I mean HOW does Wlad fight him?

[Holtol]

Punching power has nothing to do with weight though. Its all bones, muscles, and joints being powered by the neurological system. That is the mass part of that equation here. Tyson has the advantage because he is PUNCHING UP, which allows him to put those massive legs almost entirely behind his shots, whereas a taller fighter would be at a extreme disadvantage here. Wlad cannot put his quads behind his shots, and hardly his hips either. It all comes from his back muscles(Lats) which is where most punching power comes from anyway.

It is a coordination thing, Tyson can get more muscle/power behind his shots than Wlad can, and Tyson's punches are far more technically advanced in that way. Now which one actually hits harder is up for grabs, I say Tyson easily.

Sometimes smaller fighters can punch harder then bigger fighters. But in general bigger boxers punch harder.

Most of Wlads punches are jabs. With only the odd right hand or left hook. Tyson was throwing power punches non stop. And he should get credited with having faster power combination's. But Wlad the one punch power I think.

[XionComrade]

are you trying to disprove physics?
have you seen wlad's back muscles? is he not coordinated when he punches?
wlad has mass, acceleration, height, leverage and gravity in his favor.
and in the realm of boxing he has punching technique as well.
that is why he can put some serious damage on opponents with seemingly innocuous punches. he doesnt even have to commit to his punches or punch with nearly the same ferocity as tyson. now imagine if he did.

No I am clearing up some misconceptions here. The mass that is in question here is muscle....It is kinda the way we MOVE. Their is no muscle involved specifically with punching down, their is **** tons involved with punching up, ala Tua, Frazier, Tyson...Not only do they get to use their back muscles in a similar fashion that taller fighters do, but these pressure fighters can put nearly their entire lower body(Huge amounts of muscle) into the shots when moving forward. Gravity is going to be pulling on everything, a punch is a way to defy it, it will not be a advantage unless you are 7 foot tall

He doesn't commit in the same way Tyson does because he CANNOT, he is to tall. Whether he hit harder is up for grabs, but Tyson physically has a huge advantage here physiologically.

[XionComrade]

Sometimes smaller fighters can punch harder then bigger fighters. But in general bigger boxers punch harder.

Most of Wlads punches are jabs. With only the odd right hand or left hook. Tyson was throwing power punches non stop. And he should get credited with having faster power combination's. But Wlad the one punch power I think.

Its a good point, Wlad is a boxer puncher, Tyson is a puncher, and Foreman and Shavers are power punchers. Its all styles and training methods. Shavers and Foreman mainly chopped wood, lifted weights, and hit the heavy bag....Not much else. The body is just a machine, and they honed theirs solely for punching damn hard.

In general yes, bigger stronger boxers have the harder punches, ALA Butterbean, but you have to draw that line between a boxer, puncher, and a power puncher. Most boxers are nothing special, and most today suck ass.

[nomadman]

Geezus man, it never ends. Tillis, Ali, Holmes, Lyle, Norton...All of them say that SHAVERS is the hardest puncher they ever faced. Are you another guy that is going to call them all liars? Yeah Wlad's technique is a whole new universe from Foreman's, which was fairly crappy. But Foreman's power IS a whole new galaxy from Wlad's. The punching power of the two is not even comparable

No, I'm not going to call them liars. But (and this may seem strange and even ridiculous to you) being in the ring with a fighter doesn't give you the best basis for judging that fighter's power, unless you're talking body shots, in which case you're in a perfect position to judge each fighter's respective power. Regarding head punches, who are you going to say hits harder, a fighter who smashes you in the face but leaves you still cognizant of the fact that you've just been smashed in the face, or a fighter who knocks you spark out and doesn't give you the opportunity to remember much of anything? Tyson knocked Holmes loopy and stopped him for the first and only time in his career. Shavers didn't. I don't care what Holmes says, video evidence tells me that Tyson hit Holmes harder than Shavers did. As for Foreman, his power is in no way in another galaxy from Wlad's unless you can provide me with a fight in which he knocked another fighter unconscious as Wlad has done on several occasions. Did he hit hard? Hell yeah. Was his power so great that it couldn't even be compared to mere mortals like Wlad? No.

Did anyone ever say that Shavers was a great finisher? Or a great fighter? No, but still he is regarded as the hardest hitter in history. Tua would have taken him, Tua can go the distance and has a IRON chin, not to mention deadly combinations.

Yeah, I say he was a great finisher. Because he was. When he stunned an opponent it was more or less the end for them. Was he a great one punch knockout artist? No, not really. The only decent fighter he knocked out with one punch was Jimmy Ellis. Compare that to Tyson who's had tons of one-punch knockouts despite his rather inexplicable labelling in recent times of being termed a combination KO puncher. Punch for punch, Tyson hit harder than Shavers, unless you can provide video evidence to the contrary.

Shavers couldn't land a clean blow to save his life, but did take out Jimmy Young, something Foreman didn't manage to do. And did collect Ron Lyle with a glancing left hook, something that took Foreman 4 rounds of constant flush shots to do.

I do think Shaver hit marginally harder than Foreman, but I consider Foreman's one punch KO power to be overrated as well. Thing is Shavers was faster than Foreman so he was more likely to hit you with a punch you didn't see coming than Foreman. He was also more accurate and more intelligent in his assault than I think you give him credit for. Look at the number of times he went to an opponent's body to soften them up before going upstairs. Foreman was almost exclusively a headhunter.

Tua's power is nothing to joke about, and he probably hit harder than bum **** Sam Peter the one trick pony ever did. But not harder than Foreman, Shavers, or Baer. Above Tyson's power,obviously, but below Foreman and Shavers, obviously. I have always said that the true hardest hitter is probably some damn bum Journeyman that has never landed a punch on a single fighter, skill has nothing do do with this, I am talking about raw power.

Oh, man. Baer? Seriously?? That sloppy bum had to resort to backhands to stop Max Schmeling as well as numerous right hands that landed about as clean as you like. Baer has to be one of the most overrated power punchers of the last century, even more so than Dempsey, Marciano and Foreman. I don't come to the conclusion that Tua is the hardest HW puncher out of thin air you know. If you look at his prime fights, it's actually sickening the effects his punches have on his opponents. Laying fighters out cold with one shot, knocking them unconscious for five minutes, KOing dudes with glancing blows, and oftime whilst trailing badly on the cards and going into the last few rounds. If you can name me a fighter whose punches had such a devastating and immediate effect on their opponents than Tua then I'd like to see you it. Come on, Baer????