I think Wlad Hits Harder Than Prime Tyson...

[nomadman]

what does that even mean?
power is power.
is foreman's power not "compatable" to tyson's?

I consider raw power to be the degree to which a fighter's fist is slowed upon impact with the target. If a fighter punches fast but a large quantity of the speed of the punch is dissipated on impact than he's not going to do much damage (eg Chris Byrd) whereas a fighter can punch comparatively slowly, but their fist hardly slows at all upon impact (eg Foreman). Of course there are fighters whose fists move quickly and don't slow much upon impact such as Tua, but that kind of power is extremely rare.

For the record, I consider a prime Tua to be the hardest hitting heavyweight in history.

[americanbot]

are you familiar with the equation force = mass x acceleration?
wlad is the bigger man with heavy hands, solid technique and hand speed. he generates a ton of force. that combined with the fact that he's punching down on his opponents (leverage + gravity) and i would say that wlad generates more force with his punches than tyson.

not true. first thing.....power depends on the individual person (not weight & height) most tall people are lanky anyway. mike tyson is built shorter & stocky. a 5'11 tank. short explosive punches works in his favor. so does pressuring opponents. wlad needs distance which mike wouldn't give him, a 88 tyson in wlads chest pressuring him would be suicide to wlad.

[XionComrade]

are you familiar with the equation force = mass x acceleration?
wlad is the bigger man with heavy hands, solid technique and hand speed. he generates a ton of force. that combined with the fact that he's punching down on his opponents (leverage + gravity) and i would say that wlad generates more force with his punches than tyson.

Punching power has nothing to do with weight though. Its all bones, muscles, and joints being powered by the neurological system. That is the mass part of that equation here. Tyson has the advantage because he is PUNCHING UP, which allows him to put those massive legs almost entirely behind his shots, whereas a taller fighter would be at a extreme disadvantage here. Wlad cannot put his quads behind his shots, and hardly his hips either. It all comes from his back muscles(Lats) which is where most punching power comes from anyway.

It is a coordination thing, Tyson can get more muscle/power behind his shots than Wlad can, and Tyson's punches are far more technically advanced in that way. Now which one actually hits harder is up for grabs, I say Tyson easily.

[nomadman]

Punching power has very little/nothing to do with size...Earnie Shavers was only 6 feet tall and weighed 215lbs for most all of his fights, and he is the hardest puncher in history....Tyson commits to his punches more than Wlad does...Its all Muscle engineering, joint engineering, bone strength, neurological engineering, and just overall skeletal build.

I disagree on Shavers being the hardest puncher in history. His power is extremely overrated and mostly a result of hearsay, propaganda and fighter quotes (which aren't always accurate and frequently contradictory). He had the power to stun fighters and the instinct to finish them off most times, but I could count the number of one-hit knockouts he's had against semi-decent opposition on the fingers of one hand.

George Foreman is a whole different monster from Wlad, never ever compare the two. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZtZlTIglDU You really think Wlad even hits close to that? Even Sam Peter is waaay off from that, and David Tua as well.

Nope. Wlad and Tua are eminently comparable to Foreman. Wlad is heavier than Foreman, taller than Foreman, quicker than Foreman and has better technique than Foreman. He's also knocked more opponents unconscious than Foreman. You can harp on about quality of opposition all you like but to say they aren't even in the same ballpark is delusional golden era nuthuggery at its finest. As for Tua, he's the hardest hitter in heavyweight history. Period.

[XionComrade]

I just saw the Klit-Rahman fight...Note that Lennox Lewis KTFOed Rahman in what, 4 rounds? And I mean KTFOed him, Klit failed to do this, and also failed to really hurt Rahman. Rahman was old and way over the hill in that fight, and ontop of that was a talentless slow blob in his prime. Edge wayyyyyy over to Lennox Lewis.

[Siggy]

Punching power has nothing to do with weight though. Its all bones, muscles, and joints being powered by the neurological system. That is the mass part of that equation here. Tyson has the advantage because he is PUNCHING UP, which allows him to put those massive legs almost entirely behind his shots, whereas a taller fighter would be at a extreme disadvantage here. Wlad cannot put his quads behind his shots, and hardly his hips either. It all comes from his back muscles(Lats) which is where most punching power comes from anyway.

It is a coordination thing, Tyson can get more muscle/power behind his shots than Wlad can, and Tyson's punches are far more technically advanced in that way. Now which one actually hits harder is up for grabs, I say Tyson easily.

are you trying to disprove physics?
have you seen wlad's back muscles? is he not coordinated when he punches?
wlad has mass, acceleration, height, leverage and gravity in his favor.
and in the realm of boxing he has punching technique as well.
that is why he can put some serious damage on opponents with seemingly innocuous punches. he doesnt even have to commit to his punches or punch with nearly the same ferocity as tyson. now imagine if he did.

[The_Demon]

No he doesnt

[nomadman]

Punching power has nothing to do with weight though. Its all bones, muscles, and joints being powered by the neurological system. That is the mass part of that equation here. Tyson has the advantage because he is PUNCHING UP, which allows him to put those massive legs almost entirely behind his shots, whereas a taller fighter would be at a extreme disadvantage here. Wlad cannot put his quads behind his shots, and hardly his hips either. It all comes from his back muscles(Lats) which is where most punching power comes from anyway.

It is a coordination thing, Tyson can get more muscle/power behind his shots than Wlad can, and Tyson's punches are far more technically advanced in that way. Now which one actually hits harder is up for grabs, I say Tyson easily.

This is a decent post, though I can't see how you can say that Tyson easily punches harder than Wlad. Both fighters have extremely comparable punching power, even if they arrive at that power from vastly different means. Mass (ie weight) certainly does play a part in punching power, as does the angle from which you punch. A fighter punching down at an opponent can generate more power per effort expended than a fighter punching up, unless the punch is an overhand right, which utilises slightly different mechanics from most other punches. Tyson can certainly generate more power from his legs and hips than Wlad can because of his height and build. Wlad, on the other hand, can generate far more power from the twist of his shoulders and the extension of his long arms. Hence Tyson's best punches are uppercuts, hooks, overhands etc, whilst Wlad's best shots are jabs and straight right hands. Needless to say, both fighters are perfectly built to take advantage of their respective strengths. However, I would say that Tyson would be more likely to knock an opponent out due to his ferocious combination punching that would come at you from all angles. With Wlad you more or less know what to expect, jabs and straight right hands with the occasional hook. This gives you the ability to brace for the punch whereas with Tyson he's all over you.

[americanbot]

You people have to stop with this conspiracy theory ****. So Ali said Shavers hit harder than Foreman, you going to call him a liar too? Going to say that Ali was just trying to put Foreman down because he didn't want to fight him again? Horse ****. Ali would destroy Marciano btw. Rocks footwork was just way to slow for Ali.

Evander said Foreman hit harder because FOREMAN HIT HARDER. These guys aren't going to sit around and bull**** the world like that, Foreman not only hit harder than Tyson, but he hit MUCH harder than Tyson. That is how tough and badass the sport of boxing is. Tyson hit so hard he would knock out peoples teeth with just a jab. Foreman hit so hard he would crush facial bones and ribs with single shots. Just ask George Chuvalo. And Shavers hit so hard he would break ankles and crush the vertebrae in his opponents necks.

All you have to do is watch them hit the heavybag(Where power is developed) and hear the testimonials from their opponents.

it depends on the individual fight.....you don't make sense. foreman didn't even really catch ali with anything solid when they fought. ali was on the ropes dodging most of foremans big shots. SHAVERS ACTUALLY CAUGHT ALI MULTIPLE TIMES.

those are 2 diffrent styles of fights. not taking anything from shavers though because he was a hell of a puncher......but you can't run around & compare 2 different styles of fights (ali shavers/ali foreman) when different gameplans was implemented by ali in those 2 fights. ali was more scared of foremans power thats why he got hit less. he wasn't so scared of shavers thats why he got hit more (COMMON SENSE)

& the point i was trying to make with ali saying rocky would beat him is that....it's just a thing of respect. i believe evander said foreman hits harder then tyson just to give respect to the legend.

[Canelo Phresh]

no. maybe if your one of his fat club fighter opponents after they have gassed and couldnt get out of the way of a bus going 5 miles an hour 1 mile away from them. but over no.