Shane mosley is overrated??????

[-Huey-]

Mosley and Oscar were some bad mutha***az. In their primes! Whoever says any different is just a bias fanboy that don't know **** about boxing!

[Ray*]

firstoff, the oscar de la hoya fight was NOT his first fight at welterweight. i believe it was his third...after testing the waters with the underwhelming willy wise and wilfredo rivera.

its his lightweight resume that truly gets overrated. similar to the opposition that he tested the welterweight division against, his lightweight opponents were completely over-matched. he beat them with a combination of a great chin, speed and one of the best body attacks of his time. so, you have an olympic caliber boxer fighting average fighters with his father pressing him to stay on their body with that legendary left hook to the body he had. breaking his opposition down from the ground up was a game-plan so basic, they made it look genius. his opposition, mostly hispanic, btw, had no hope of keeping up with him, as him coming up in california had already taught him how to handle less skilled but tough fighters.

he definitely won the second de la hoya fight? are you serious? he came on strong towards the second half of the fight, when most fighters are approaching fatigue. he was stumped in the corner for the first six rounds (which should have been in the bank for de la hoya) and was let off the hook a bit when oscar stopped controlling mosley with his jab and started to fight mosley's fight. now if you're saying that oscar de la hoya did NOT win a round or two between rounds 7 and 12 then maybe you need to stop listening to what your friends tell you about the fight and actually go watch it. i won't even bother to point out how the drugs he was taking were specifically designed to help his late rounds surge.

Best post in this thread by far, Describe Mosley to a tee.

[RubenSonny]

Mosley clearly is a LW. That's his best weight, he brtually beat EVERYONE there. Man I even think he'd give Mayweather hell at MAYWEATHERS best weightclass which is LW.
Yes, he lost to some GIANT light middleweights, he fought the best - won some, lost some.
His resume is VERY good, he's no top 50 ATG or maybe you could squeeze him in. He won in the respective class' LW and WW. LWW is still bull**** to me...

What makes you think LW was mays best weight? He looked best at 130 and 140, he wasnt as effective at 135.

[JDezi4]

"prime" vargas due to steroids? steroids don't work that way. vargas was done. both oscar fights were big victories, robbery or not. margarito was a taller, bigger version of the fighters he made a name off of at lightweight and still the timing and stage made it a big victory.

i can't argue against mosley being placed higher than oscar de la hoya, as he did beat oscar on a big stage at a point in both of their careers before either started to show signs of decline (known around here as their "prime").

i do understand why people question mosley's legacy and reputation, though. there is not a modern fighter whose resume is "unquestionable."

I meant Physically more or less I was just referring to the fact he was on steroids and was therefore physically stronger than he would have been otherwise. Hence the content in the "()"

[check hook]

firstoff, the oscar de la hoya fight was NOT his first fight at welterweight. i believe it was his third...after testing the waters with the underwhelming willy wise and wilfredo rivera.

its his lightweight resume that truly gets overrated. similar to the opposition that he tested the welterweight division against, his lightweight opponents were completely over-matched. he beat them with a combination of a great chin, speed and one of the best body attacks of his time. so, you have an olympic caliber boxer fighting average fighters with his father pressing him to stay on their body with that legendary left hook to the body he had. breaking his opposition down from the ground up was a game-plan so basic, they made it look genius. his opposition, mostly hispanic, btw, had no hope of keeping up with him, as him coming up in california had already taught him how to handle less skilled but tough fighters.

he definitely won the second de la hoya fight? are you serious? he came on strong towards the second half of the fight, when most fighters are approaching fatigue. he was stumped in the corner for the first six rounds (which should have been in the bank for de la hoya) and was let off the hook a bit when oscar stopped controlling mosley with his jab and started to fight mosley's fight. now if you're saying that oscar de la hoya did NOT win a round or two between rounds 7 and 12 then maybe you need to stop listening to what your friends tell you about the fight and actually go watch it. i won't even bother to point out how the drugs he was taking were specifically designed to help his late rounds surge.

i like Shane....but i find myself mostly agreeing with this post. ODLH beat him in that second fight. I don't think Shane is overrated.....i think he is rated exactly where he should be....a multiple division HOFer who would be a difficult assignment for any fighter from 135 to 147 because of his physical attributes.

[victorythagr8]

Shane is a hall of famer with a hall of fame career.

people let fighters late fights swing their opinion too much.

Shane was SCARY in his prime

shane was roided up in his prime.

Its not his later fight that people question shane's greatness....its that the combination of his connection with Balco, losses against winky, and vernon forrest in his prime. His biggest win since Oscar was margacheato without handwraps.

[Alex_Hayden]

Neither Shane or Oscar are over-rated since no one talks about them as ATG's. They are two of the better fighters of the past 20 years though.

[gibo]

Yeah, I think Shane is one of those guys you would refer to as a border line great fighter. But I think the fact that he hung tough with Cotto when Cotto was so highly regarded gives him some points. I thought Cotto lost that fight.

You also thought Margarito didn't cheat!!!!!!!!!!!!!