Shane mosley is overrated??????

[S IP U IR S xII]

dude its NSB

3/4 of the posters know jack shit about real boxing

the one place where ducking can be written off as "vacation"

LOL fair enough my friend.

[Spray_resistant]

Im not doing that at all. I agree hes a HOF. I am calling out the inconsistencies of so many with the biased logic, and limited objectiveness.

I can see what your saying, both were very good fighters in their primes and won't go down as ATGs but defo HOF fighters and both lost some big fights, won some notable fights to while again they both fought the best.

I would still rate SSm slightly over him because he beat Oscar when it mattered and won some big fights after his best days were behind him unlike Oscar.

[S IP U IR S xII]

I can see what your saying, both were very good fighters in their primes and won't go down as ATGs but defo HOF fighters and both lost some big fights, won some notable fights to while again they both fought the best.

I would still rate SSm slightly over him because he beat Oscar when it mattered and won some big fights after his best days were behind him unlike Oscar.

Shanes win over Oscar in the first fight was huge, and proved to the world he was going to be a name to reckoned with, but dont you think that if you broke it down per fight, that one could make the argument that they had very similar careers and not barring a bad call in the rematch with Oscar that legacys would be different? I think it would be the same still for both fighters. Thats just me though.

[Spray_resistant]

Shanes win over Oscar in the first fight was huge, and proved to the world he was going to be a name to reckoned with, but dont you think that if you broke it down per fight, that one could make the argument that they had very similar careers and not barring a bad call in the rematch with Oscar that legacys would be different? I think it would be the same still for both fighters. Thats just me though.

They did have very similar careers but if the judges went Oscar's way who is to say it would have changed anything because he fought who he wanted when he wanted, he was the draw and fighters had to try and get him regardless of whether he was off of a win or a loss.

So who knows the only difference could be a W next to his name against Shane on boxrec instead but I doubt he lost an opportunity for a big fight because of it.

[S IP U IR S xII]

They did have very similar careers but if the judges went Oscar's way who is to say it would have changed anything because he fought who he wanted when he wanted, he was the draw and fighters had to try and get him regardless of whether he was off of a win or a loss.

So who knows the only difference could be a W next to his name against Shane on boxrec instead but I doubt he lost an opportunity for a big fight because of it.

I think that Oscars career is defined by Tito and Shane. Even had he lost to Hopkins, Floyd and Manny, i think his legacy is greatly changed.

[MidnightSpecial]

I think that Oscars career is defined by Tito and Shane. Even had he lost to Hopkins, Floyd and Manny, i think his legacy is greatly changed.

Oscars career is defined by his public appeal IMO.

I liked Oscar and watched all his fights.

Making fights people want to see should mean more.

of course history will remember the winners but I will always remember for Oscar being a FIGHTER....willing to fight those he should fight.

[S IP U IR S xII]

Oscars career is defined by his public appeal IMO.

I liked Oscar and watched all his fights.

Making fights people want to see should mean more.

of course history will remember the winners but I will always remember for Oscar being a FIGHTER....willing to fight those he should fight.

Ill drink to that

[MidnightSpecial]

Ill drink to that

as a fan of the sport thats all we can ask really

give us the fights we want to see and fight the fights you need to take

courage defines a fighter

not a record

[edgarg]

Im sorry, i love Shane, but the same people who say Oscar was overrated are the same people who credit Shane for being a legend. People blame Oscar for "losing every big fight".

Who did Shane beat? He lost all his big fights. He barely beat Oscar, was on the steroids in the rematch (which he still lost by the way), lost to forrest twice, lost to Winky twice, lost to Floyd, lost to Cotto......I just dont see the logic if people are gonna dog Oscar.

Oscar was the pretty boy that had skills, so everyone hated him (ala Lebron). Shanes biggest win is aginst Margs. People mention, "well he beat Leija, Rivera, Cazallo and what not, but no one cares that Oscar beat Ruelas, Leija, Quartey, Vargas, Genaro Hernandez (though i never saw that fight :< ), Cammacho, ect. Lets be real, Oscar BEAT TITO.

I think yall know where im going with this. I just see so many inconsistencies that its ridiculous. Then again, when your a pretty boy poster child, you have more doubters than people who will respect you for no reason other than they cant stand the fact that one is so popular and sucnessful, so they look for any tiny detail to attack. Floyd has that problem as did Kobe and now Lebron, and Pac.

Me and a buddy were discussing so just thought i share my thoughts.

You clock in at 31 years old, and it's a pity that for 30 of those years you were ignorant about boxing. And the remaining year was not redolescent of any brilliant boxing revelations from you. If you want to know something about mosley, he began boxing BEFORE he fought Oscar-whom he beat very well in a competitive first fight, and less easily although definitely in a second fight. Mosley has shown that he strugglea at 154, even against Vargas, whom he KO'd.

What I suggest you do is look at his lightweight career, and it will open your eyes. Make sure they don't fall out, as Mosley was a different kind of fighter at 135. AND DONT FORGET...which you obviously have done, that Oscar, the once beaten genius of thee 147 pounders, was a killer himself. AND again, this was Mosleys 1st fight in welter at 12 pounds heavier than light.

So, baby, crawl away and chew your little thumb whilst you contemplate a really great fighter.

[Ray*]

I think Mosley's apparently nice guy attitude/image makes him better than he actually is Imo, He was great in the lower weights against mediocre opponents..