No Ceilings/Burner says roy jones didn't have skills ...lol, WTF! What u guys think?

[Kagami Taiga]

roy jones was very skilled actually aside from his natural talents. you should realize though that once a fighter's natural talents is gone he can no longer utilize his skills to its full potential, unless you're a very crafty fighter like hopkins which unfortunately roy jones was not.

thats just not true, rjj didnt have the fundamental skills necessary. ****, once rrj's athleticism declined he became a bum. what was the last fighter u see drop off like that??? this is just the hard facts. even guys like sugar ray leonard, pernell whitaker and oscar de la hoya, **** even shan, didnt drop off the way roy did. their decline was gradual. we didnt even kno roys was coming unitl knockout after knockout.

ppl wanna hate burner and sure he can be annoying but the facts totally support what he said. most ppl would not survive in this sport if they fought the way roy did. he did it because he was athletic as **** not because he was a fundamentally and technically sound boxer.

[djtmal]

from what i saw, after he moved down from heavyweight, he lost a great deal of overall strength and the snap in his punches was gone...

[PainKiller]

Roy has plenty of skills, just not a great defence.

Yes he had super powers, but he countered great, rolled punches, had lovely combiantions etc...

People just make out he didn't have skills because he got KTFO a few times and is fighting at 40.

His defence has always lacked, but his chin is really suspect.

[PainKiller]

Oh and going up in weight like that and down is not heavy.

[TheBoxingBanger]

Co-sign

from what i saw, after he moved down from heavyweight, he lost a great deal of overall strength and the snap in his punches was gone...

This was THE point at which his downfall began. What ever steroids he took to gain that 24 lbs of muscle that quick for the john ruiz fight, made his body change, and it never was the same again after he lost the weight.

it was crazy how roy was shreaded at 175 lbs .... then he was suddenly shreaded at 199 lbs ...... after spending my life at gold's gym i know for a fact that 24 lbs of lean muscle gain is IMPOSSIBLE . Period. WITHOUT JUICE helping the process.

His speed was sapped after the ruiz fight. that tarver shyte had me fucced up for a while man. seriously, i couldn't believe that.

what a fall from grace

[djtmal]

This was THE point at which his downfall began. What ever steroids he took to gain that 24 lbs of muscle that quick for the john ruiz fight, made his body change, and it never was the same again after he lost the weight.

it was crazy how roy was shreaded at 175 lbs .... then he was suddenly shreaded at 199 lbs ...... after spending my life at gold's gym i know for a fact that 24 lbs of lean muscle gain is IMPOSSIBLE . Period. WITHOUT JUICE helping the process.

His speed was sapped after the ruiz fight. that tarver shyte had me fucced up for a while man. seriously, i couldn't believe that.

what a fall from grace

like bobby czyz used to say...greatness grew old in a day...tarver 1 was gutsy tho..

[SOPH~ REP.]

I was a big fan but look at it like this if you fight garbage you great except for a young bhop / toney, their no notable wins,an its not roy fault it was nobody 2 fight roy got away with speed and playing 2 the crowd ,he was the show,
when he fought tarver (1st counterpuncher)it was a different style he never faced . Bottom line roy was an still is gifted offensively,never had defense.

[djtmal]

I was a big fan but look at it like this if you fight garbage you great except for a young bhop / toney, their no notable wins,an its not roy fault it was nobody 2 fight roy got away with speed and playing 2 the crowd ,he was the show,
when he fought tarver (1st counterpuncher)it was a different style he never faced . Bottom line roy was an still is gifted offensively,never had defense.

i thought griffin was a counterpuncher as well

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Depends how he meant it. Burner is usually ******ed but I can see what hes saying. Roy relied more on phenomenal speed, reflexes and natural talent rather than basic boxing fundamentals

[esl_4_u]

****** to say.

He just didn't have fundamental defensive skills.

No doubt, but neither did Muhammad Ali or Sugar Ray Robinson...keeping the word fundamental in my mind. All of these guys had natural, God given talents that allowed them to do things defensively that are against the fundamental skills of boxing. Example, Ali could fight you while he was retreating and he often times let a fighter get-off to tire him out. Ali was definitely open to left hooks because of him keeping his right hand low. Sugar Ray Robinson would get hit by straight ahead fighters who had good speed and power. At the same time most people agree that he had the total package. Roy Jones used his lightening fast reflexes and footwork to counter-balance his defensive flaws. He broke many fundamental rules in boxing, like the lead upper-cut and left hook, but he was so fast he could get away with it. Unlike other sports, in boxing your best defense is an awesome and imposing offense.