Only idiots think fighters 60 years on back would be competitive today

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

You should've said that from the beginning.



Pacquiao, Mayweather, maybe, and they aren't even big welterweights. But the rest?

Cotto and Clottey can hardly brag about their greater stamina as they have extreme difficulties going just 12 rounds. Same with Zab Judah.

Antonio Margarito is hardly fast, not to mention the recent "champ" Carlos Baldomir, who beat a far better athlete in Zab Judah.

These fighters look to have quite "efficient" bodies:







But as we know, that has never been the be all and end all of boxing:

END OF THREAD............there is no difference in those men as to the men of today...NONE. The arguments you made for Baldomir and Margarito were the defining point in all of this. Sometimes people think that muscle mass, or a great body means you will be a great fighter...hehe I guess guys like Julio Cesar Chavez and Juan Diaz should have never been champs in the modern era then.

I honestly have no idea what the training was like long ago but I've heard of camps today where team members time the improvement in wind sprints so that they know when a fighter is peaking, like gaging the PRECISE moment a bottle of $5,000,000 (decent PPV payday) wine is at its peak drinkability. I thought it was lifting weights, cardio, and sparring. I had no idea it gets so complicated as judging when a fighter is reaching their peak performance level, so a not to reach it a day before or a day after the fight, but to reach in precisesly as they enter the ring.

I think the fighting only every 4-8 months of today has more to do with an attempt to extend a career and the weight loss some fighters have to accomplish. Some of these guys rehydrate 10-15 pounds over night. YOu would have NEVER heard of old school fighters doing that, as squezing a LHW into a WW frame wasn't the practice back then.

that can go both ways though, many people say that one of the reasons Mayweather is as great as he is, is because he walks around at about the same weight in which he fights. So being drained and re hydrating aren't a problem.

You don't need to be a scientist to understand when a fighter is being over trained or is peaking, just a great trainer and the human intuition does that just fine.

[dynamite13]

Can Sandy Koufax pitch in todays MLB? Yes
Can Joe Montana play in todays NFL? Yes
Can Pistol Pete Maravich play in todays NBA? Yes

These athletes simply just know how to play their game and will do great in any era.

Same goes for boxers. If you have the talent, I dont see why they wouldnt be competitive today.

[Levcon8686]

I disagree that the old school guys would be blown out of the water, i think the old school champions would be able to compete nowadays, as in they could make the top 20 in a division or top 10 perhaps. But that extra 10/15% benefit that modern fighters have nowadays pushes today's top dogs onto a whole new level that former champions never quite reached.

[Levcon8686]

Can Sandy Koufax pitch in todays MLB? Yes
Can Joe Montana play in todays NFL? Yes
Can Pistol Pete Maravich play in todays NBA? Yes

These athletes simply just know how to play their game and will do great in any era.

Same goes for boxers. If you have the talent, I dont see why they wouldnt be competitive today.

It's not a question of them being competitive, I'm sure many of them would be competitive, but would they still be the champion in their divison? Very doubtful. Generally speaking - with today's advancements modern fighters would have an edge over fighters from the past.

Edit:

Out of interest I've compiled the champions from the eight weightclasses in 1950 and fighters of 2010.

Heavyweight : Wladimir Klitshcko v Ezzard Charles

Light-HW : Best of SMW/LHW? v Joey Maxim

Middleweight: Sergio Martinez v Jake La Motta

Welterweight: Floyd Mayweather v SRR

Lightweight: JMM v Ike Williams

Featherweight:John/Lopez/Gamboa v Sandy Saddler

Bantamweight: Fernando Montiel v Vic Toweel

Flyweight: Wonjongkam v Dado Marino

Can't say I know anything about the bantam and flyweight champs from 1950, but I suspect the class of 2010 win 6 out of 8 here.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Cmon Hous the oldr fighter fought way more than todays fighters. And they fought 15 round fights. Todays guys can barely go 10.

[StarshipTrooper]

I think I've finally found the perfect candidate for the "Official Thread For Adolescent ******s"

PS. The only myth here is that humans constantly improve everything we're involved with: As human beings we **** things up far more often than we make them better.

Poet

[Levcon8686]

I think I've finally found the perfect candidate for the "Official Thread For Adolescent ******s"

PS. The only myth here is that humans constantly improve everything we're involved with: As human beings we **** things up far more often than we make them better.

Poet

Completely disagree.

How do you account for Olympic records constantly being broken/improved upon?

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Completely disagree.

How do you account for Olympic records constantly being broken/improved upon?

Name 3 fighters today that are better than SRR. Has that been improved upon?

[ChiTown2Diego]

given their condition. Our fighters today are bigger, stronger and faster then they ever were. Why? Because they aren't goinghave into it alone now, now they have researchers (nutritionist, fitness experts) who conduct research to find the most positive results. This allows them to find the maximum balance of muscle to body frame / weight for strength and speed. They now have tapes to study and research other fighters methods in detail. Fighters back then didn't have this luxery. Science makes the difference.

Humans make fables about the past neglecting logic, its natural.

I hear what you're saying but you realize if those boxers were alive today they too would have grown up with and would have access to current sport nutrition and exercise principles/knowledge?

[StarshipTrooper]

Completely disagree.

How do you account for Olympic records constantly being broken/improved upon?

Improved track surfaces, batter equipment, and steroids. Try running the 100 on an old cinder track and see what your time is.

Poet