Comments Thread For: Wladimir Klitschko Quickly Climbing The Post-Ali Charts

[Pirao]

the same way wlad ended ross purity's career lol

I could start mentioning all the embarrassing losses a lot of great HWs have, but since it's obvious you're just a troll, and a bad one at that, I won't.

[Pirao]

Well you sometimes get a bit inflammatory on the subject of the Klitschkos, and you can't really expect to get reasonable responses when you do.



He didn't actually say he'd be greater than them, just that he'd have overtaken them in terms of statistics.



OTOH, completely penalising him because there is no effective competition available for him to fight is also unfair. The fact that he's consistently fought top 10 opponents (whereas most of the greats of the past fought their share of lowly ranked fighters in between the tough fights); the fact that it is several years since he's even clearly lost a single round; the fact that he has one of the very highest KO percentages in history; and the length and dominance of his reign; all have to be taken into account.

Also, the direness of his competition is greatly overstated by many people. Most of Larry Holmes' competition was no better. There was a long period when Joe Louis's competition was no better. Most of Jack Johnson's competition was far worse than the modern era. The Marciano era was very weak (and the HoF fighters Marciano beat were either way past their primes of undersized or both). There have been plenty of weak eras in the past.

And his skills, speed and power are hugely underestimated by most people in the US and UK. I'm getting very bored and irritated by all the idiots who keep writing that all he has is size, or that he's "lumbering" or "plodding". Some people who are paid to be full time boxing journalists, such as Kevin Mitchell of The Guardian, keep writing that sort of tripe, and it's just pathetic. Do these people really know nothing about boxing? Is nationalistic xenophobia their only motivation for writing about boxing?

He has one of the top 3-4 Heavyweight jabs of all time, and for such a big man, is possibly the most athletic of all time. He has great anticipation and accuracy, good foot movement, subtle upper body movement, a great right cross and a very good left hook. His speed is massively under-rated - he was out-speeding Chambers for long spells.

Excellent post, there should be more level-headed and unbiased posters like you, the forum would be so much pleasurable to read.

[Leo Pradun]

if u look at wlads resume thee is a lot of great names there, byrd twice,rahman,peter twice once when he was an undefeted hot prospect same,brock another undefeated prospect at the time, ibragimov also undefeated at the time,also chagaev and a lor of others, these were the best guys in the division at the time, wlad hasnt ducked anyone

[Tiozzo]

Well you sometimes get a bit inflammatory on the subject of the Klitschkos, and you can't really expect to get reasonable responses when you do.

I get ''inflammatory'' when Klit fanboys insult me because I don't say their idols are the best thing since the wheel. If I use logical arguments to make my points, which I do 99% of the time, I expect that the feedback will be based on logical arguments if someone disagrees, which is alright. Being called a hater and a xenophobic person in response to my logical arguments, I've had enough of that you see. I remember I was flamed when I said Chambers did the right thing by slamming Wlad to the flloor when Wlad used his usual dirty tactic of leaning and putting his weight on the back of his opponent. Imagine how much it takes out of a fighter who is 213 lbs to have a man weighing 245 lbs leaning on his back while he's bent. Therefore, I thought and still think Chambers did the right thing : he sent a message, which was ''I won't let you do that''.


He didn't actually say he'd be greater than them, just that he'd have overtaken them in terms of statistics.

this is basically the same thing since we're forced to compare fighters from different eras using stats, but I agree we could make a case that there is a slight difference



OTOH, completely penalising him because there is no effective competition available for him to fight is also unfair. The fact that he's consistently fought top 10 opponents (whereas most of the greats of the past fought their share of lowly ranked fighters in between the tough fights); the fact that it is several years since he's even clearly lost a single round; the fact that he has one of the very highest KO percentages in history; and the length and dominance of his reign; all have to be taken into account.

he's still got a long way to go before even getting close to Holmes (and Louis) as far as longevity and number of consecutive defenses are concerned

I think people exaggerate a bit with the ''he hasn't lost a single round in years'', I call this bull****, and so do the judges

Ibragimov match (2008) 119-110, 117-111, 118-110

unfortunately, I don't have the scorecards of the fight that ended with a KO, but I'm sure Thompson won at least one round

Also, the direness of his competition is greatly overstated by many people. Most of Larry Holmes' competition was no better. There was a long period when Joe Louis's competition was no better. Most of Jack Johnson's competition was far worse than the modern era. The Marciano era was very weak (and the HoF fighters Marciano beat were either way past their primes of undersized or both). There have been plenty of weak eras in the past.

most of Larry Holmes competition was no better, but overall, it is better period

Joe Louis has something like 10 HOFers on his record, so give him a break

Walcott and Charles were still very capable fighters, they both gave all he could handle to Marciano in at least one fight each

we know all the champions in history have had fights against weaklings, this is not the point, the point is that Wlad has no marque names on his record, no HOFers, not even one

And his skills, speed and power are hugely underestimated by most people in the US and UK. I'm getting very bored and irritated by all the idiots who keep writing that all he has is size, or that he's "lumbering" or "plodding". Some people who are paid to be full time boxing journalists, such as Kevin Mitchell of The Guardian, keep writing that sort of tripe, and it's just pathetic. Do these people really know nothing about boxing? Is nationalistic xenophobia their only motivation for writing about boxing?

Wlas is technically very sound and he can throw every punch that is in the book perfectly

he is clever, strong, fast, hard to hit
he hasn't always been clever, he didn't know how to use his stamina in the past, and it cost him 2 fights
his chin is weak, even he admits that

as for his size, well, nature has blessesd him with a giant body, and he knows how to capitalize on his height, weight and reach (not every big fighter knows how to use those physical assets)

He has one of the top 3-4 Heavyweight jabs of all time, and for such a big man, is possibly the most athletic of all time. He has great anticipation and accuracy, good foot movement, subtle upper body movement, a great right cross and a very good left hook. His speed is massively under-rated - he was out-speeding Chambers for long spells.

my list : Holmes, Bowe, Ali and his flicking jab, Wlad, Liston, Lewis

I wouldn't say Wlad out-sped Chambers, he controlled the distance and anticipated what Chambers would do, making him ineffective in all departments

[ChopperRead]

if u look at wlads resume thee is a lot of great names there, byrd twice,rahman,peter twice once when he was an undefeted hot prospect same,brock another undefeated prospect at the time, ibragimov also undefeated at the time,also chagaev and a lor of others, these were the best guys in the division at the time, wlad hasnt ducked anyone

Yep. All one can ask is that he fights the best of HIS ERA, and he is doing that, and winning with ease.

[cupocity303]

Damn right.

[RimmyDelicious]

the same way wlad ended ross purity's career lol

Because great fighters don't lose to inferior opponents early in their careers? Joe Louis was dominated and KO'd by Max Schmeling, Jack Dempsey was flattened early on as well. Ali was nearly KO'd by Henry Cooper early on in his career. Tyson got beaten from pillar to post and KO'd by Buster Douglas, and Tyson was actually in his prime at the time! Lennox Lewis was starched by Oliver McCall and Hasim Rahman, the Rahman fight was also Lewis's prime.

Those are just the great heavyweight champions who have been KO'd (in Ali's case, he just barely made it up and out of that round). I could go on and on about ATG's who lost to bums or journeyman in other weights as well if you'd like.

[WladIsTheChamp]

As a boxer myself, I appreciate what Klitch has done. But seriously, he must really rank as the most boring of all the great heavyweights who were mentioned. Honestly, if it were not for his sheer size, he would really have nothing. Ali, Frazier, Tyson and Holyfield were all smallish Heavyweights... Howw did they accomplish so much??? Answer - through pure class and skill. I just don't see anything particularly skillfull in what Klitch does. Please comment, I am interested for somebody to point some facts out to prove me wrong.

you are all wrong my friend, where did you hear that! Ali was a smallish HW? Do your... homework, Ali was bigger, than most off his competitiOn; he was fighting guys as little as 177 pounds. Get yourself sometime on box rec, study. anther comeback with something that resembles the truth

[WladIsTheChamp]

WLADIMIRKLITSCHKO > Cassius Clay

[TxHustla]

As a boxer myself, I appreciate what Klitch has done. But seriously, he must really rank as the most boring of all the great heavyweights who were mentioned. Honestly, if it were not for his sheer size, he would really have nothing. Ali, Frazier, Tyson and Holyfield were all smallish Heavyweights... Howw did they accomplish so much??? Answer - through pure class and skill. I just don't see anything particularly skillfull in what Klitch does. Please comment, I am interested for somebody to point some facts out to prove me wrong.

yeah i think hes just too good for alot of these fighters..but whos the HW division anyway..because of the ladk of talent is effecting how he looks..i see that..but he does have skill..boring ass hell tho..like floyd..they have almost identical fighting styles..not skills..style..