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  • Dave Rado
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    #101
    Originally posted by LeTombeur
    I get ''inflammatory'' when Klit fanboys insult me because I don't say their idols are the best thing since the wheel.
    That doesn't explain comments like this:

    "...this is the most disgusting piece I've ever read. So biased and foolish. I'm about to puke all over my computer."

    Lyle is a bit of a Floyd fanboy but he isn't really a Klitschko fanboy, and you got his article way out of proportion.

    Originally posted by LeTombeur
    he's still got a long way to go before even getting close to Holmes (and Louis) as far as longevity and number of consecutive defenses are concerned
    That's true.

    Originally posted by LeTombeur
    I think people exaggerate a bit with the ''he hasn't lost a single round in years'', I call this bull****, and so do the judges
    I said he hasn't clearly lost a round for several years. I bet you can't name a round in the last four years that he clearly lost. And although in most of those fights, at least some of the judges gave his opponents between one and three rounds, I bet if you could analyse their full scorecards, you'd find they disagreed with each other about which round(s) he lost - because he didn't clearly lose any.

    Originally posted by LeTombeur
    most of Larry Holmes competition was no better, but overall, it is better period
    Only slightly. And Holmes was fortunate enough to reach his prime at a time when some excellent fighters were still around. Once he'd beaten them, there was a very long period when the competition was as dire as today's. Wlad was a late developer, and by the time he became an elite fighter, there was only Byrd and an extremely old Holyfield, and a shot Toney left from the old guard (and Holy blew his chance of a shot by being easily beaten by Ibragimov, Toney by losing badly to Peter in the rematch).

    Originally posted by LeTombeur
    Joe Louis has something like 10 HOFers on his record, so give him a break
    Not as many as ten, and most of them were either at the very start or end of his reign, or were Light Heavyweights. There was a very long period when his competition was dire. Plus some of the Hall of Famers he beat were not actually great fighters - e.g. Max Baer, Jack Sharkey, Max Schmeling.

    One problem now is that if a potential (in terms of ability) Hall of Famer turns pro now, he's likely to end up fighting Wlad while he's still green, get a bad beating, and never be the same again. That makes it hard to see how a great Heavyweight is going to come along who can test him until Wlad starts to decline a bit.

    That said, I don't know what's gone wrong with Solis - lots of talent, but he's throwing it all away (or should I say eating it all away?).

    Originally posted by LeTombeur
    we know all the champions in history have had fights against weaklings, this is not the point, the point is that Wlad has no marque names on his record, no HOFers, not even one
    Yes, but that isn't his fault, and you have to also take the extent and length of his dominance, and his ability, and improvement in recent years, and the fact that he has always fought the highest level of competition available to him, into account when assessing his historical status.

    Originally posted by LeTombeur
    Wlad is technically very sound and he can throw every punch that is in the book perfectly

    he is clever, strong, fast, hard to hit
    he hasn't always been clever, he didn't know how to use his stamina in the past, and it cost him 2 fights
    his chin is weak, even he admits that

    as for his size, well, nature has blessesd him with a giant body, and he knows how to capitalize on his height, weight and reach (not every big fighter knows how to use those physical assets)
    Agreed.

    Originally posted by LeTombeur
    I wouldn't say Wlad out-sped Chambers, he controlled the distance and anticipated what Chambers would do, making him ineffective in all departments
    Maybe, but it was a combination of great anticipation and timing, and surprisingly good handspeed, that nullified Chambers' speed. Wlad's handspeed is under-rated by many. And his ability to nullify speed with a combination of anticipation, timing and handspeed of his own is hugely under-estimated, especially by Haye nuthuggers, which includes pretty well every single British boxing journalist.
    Last edited by Dave Rado; 09-15-2010, 02:37 PM.

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    • Tiozzo
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      #102
      Originally posted by BattlingNelson
      Your whining about karma suggests otherwise.
      no

      obviously I was exposing the fact that you mis-use karma like the little ***** you are, nt whining about getting red K'ed, which is just laughable as far as I'm concerned

      my comment didn't require to get red K'ed because it was an argument and not an insult

      you red k'ed the comment because you're a hurt ass owned ***** who is biased as hell

      that argument was also supported by another poster who felt the same way about the 50 KOs and all of that stuff

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      • Joeyzagz
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        #103
        Originally posted by kenso
        on a side note - i don't think sanders beats adamek. sanders was extremely dangerous when he was "on" but at the same time he was knocked out by hassim rahman
        Adamek went 12 rounds with a past-prime Michael grant and was in danger of getting stopped. Its shows how far the division has fallen when scrubs like Grant still have a punchers chance.

        Originally posted by kenso
        wlad is on top because he is beating EVERYONE. once again - you bring up the era, we all know that its not fantastic. but god damn, can you not give any credit? what else can he do for you? you criticize the guy saying he hasn't fought anyone - but hes fought EVERYONE.
        Beating EVERYONE means nothing if they are all class C and below. Larry Holmes beat everyone from 1978-1984 and had a 6 year dominant reign similar to Wladimir. Did that make Holmes better than Ali? HELL NO Both Wlad and Holmes dominated very weak divisions....

        Ill take the guy who did very good in an elite era over the guy who dominated the garbage era. Its the same reason why Id choose a C student at Harvard over a B student at a shitty school.

        Originally posted by kenso
        uhhhh no, any top 5 guy from the lennox/tyson regime would have to fight a klitschko - and maybe aside from lennox - they would get beat, and even with lennox - its a debated topic.
        You know what I meant...If Prime Holyfield, Prime Tua, Prime Bruno, Prime Moorer, or even Prime Morrison REPLACED the Klitschkos in this era they would dominate the rubbish fighters just as easy. I can name up to 15 fighters from the 90's who would have no problems with elderly Ray Austin or Albert Sosnoski.

        Originally posted by kenso
        deep down - do you think wlad of current form would still lose to sanders? purrity? wlad's losses occurred before he hooked up with steward and took things to a new level.

        on a side note, to say tony thompson has no boxing skills is really ******ed.

        ok so answer me this joeyzagz - is wlad a really good fighter? yes or no?
        Wlad is a good fighter, Ive said this many times, but the competition is just not there to propel him to top 10 status. "What do you expect him to do?" There is nothing he can do. Just like there was nothing Holmes could do when he was in the same situation.

        Holmes eventually got his opportunity at age 42 beating a Prime undefeated Ray Mercer. Holmes proved directly that he would be trouble in any era... Wlad will just have to wait for his shot.

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        • RockyB
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          #104
          Originally posted by JoeyZagz
          Wlad has never faced a top fighter outside of 2000 Chris Byrd. Wlads resume' is garbage and he would need 60 defenses just to equal Marciano's 6.

          Author forgot to adjust for 21st century inflation.
          And this is coming from the guy with JOE CALZAGHE in his avy and signature....

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            #105
            Originally posted by Benny Hunt
            As a boxer myself, I appreciate what Klitch has done. But seriously, he must really rank as the most boring of all the great heavyweights who were mentioned. Honestly, if it were not for his sheer size, he would really have nothing. Ali, Frazier, Tyson and Holyfield were all smallish Heavyweights... Howw did they accomplish so much??? Answer - through pure class and skill. I just don't see anything particularly skillfull in what Klitch does. Please comment, I am interested for somebody to point some facts out to prove me wrong.
            OMFG HOW MUCH DOES THE KLITSCHKO'S WEIGH???? It's really not much more then Foreman, Shavers and such.

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            • minasyan
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              #106
              this talk about wlad not being the best is so ****ing ******, how can anyone really say a fighter from the 70s could beat one now? the sport has changed so much that its even ****** to bring it up

              wlad has done everything he can and has destroyed the top fighters in his division, thats all people should base a mans career on, when federer became a champ at a **** time in tennis did people ever question his abilities?

              i bet you if wlad was from the u.s we wouldn't be having this discussion

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              • kenso
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                #107
                Originally posted by JoeyZagz

                Wlad is a good fighter, Ive said this many times, but the competition is just not there to propel him to top 10 status. "What do you expect him to do?" There is nothing he can do. Just like there was nothing Holmes could do when he was in the same situation.
                so then why talk so much **** on him? if you think he's good then there is no reason to **** talk on him so bad. he has some delusional fans on this board - but certainly no more than pacquiao or mayweather does.

                instead of "wlads resume is garbage" why not be less of a c-nt and say "good win by wlad, but its too bad there aren't any serious threats in the division right now".

                your negativity toward him is ridiculous considering that you say "There is nothing he can do." which is like saying - i can't ask for anything more from him, but yet im going to talk a ton of **** about him in every thread that comes up.

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                • BattlingNelson
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                  #108
                  Originally posted by LeTombeur
                  no

                  obviously I was exposing the fact that you mis-use karma like the little ***** you are, nt whining about getting red K'ed, which is just laughable as far as I'm concerned

                  my comment didn't require to get red K'ed because it was an argument and not an insult

                  you red k'ed the comment because you're a hurt ass owned ***** who is biased as hell

                  that argument was also supported by another poster who felt the same way about the 50 KOs and all of that stuff

                  Mis-use karma? What does that mean? Karma is there so you can approve of posts or paint ****posters like you red.

                  Your constant stalking and badmouthing is a prime exhibit of bad behavior from a mental midget poster with an anger management problem.

                  Le Crimson Tombeur. Have some

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                  • AntonTheMeh
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                    #109
                    it sucks that the klits are brothers, but none of us can deny the fact that they are dominant. that's just how it is. like it or not.

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                    • beez721
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                      #110
                      Originally posted by Horus
                      Can you really be an ATG, With a JAB and GRAB style?
                      Even Steward had to tell wlad to stop clinching...
                      Great Jab, But what Else?
                      peter was doing the grabbing and holding. nice try tho. so wlad has 49 ko's from nothing but a great jab huh? lol

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