Comments Thread For: Wladimir Klitschko Quickly Climbing The Post-Ali Charts

[Hitman932]

maybe, but somewhere a long the line - maybe 150 years from now - but at some point it will be broken. that is if wlad even gets there. i am not so confident that he will make it to 60, i am curious how much longer he will even fight if the best fighters of the division wont fight him.

edit - you still never answered my original question.

Archie Moore had 130 KOs.

[Tiozzo]

i never said that i thought wlad accomplished more than those guys - in some respects he did, but resume wise they will always have a better resume. to deem it impossible for him to gain any serious recognition based on this alone is lame IMO. he doesn't have the competition available to fight that those guys did - but by watching him fight, i feel, and many others feel that he would give trouble to/beat many of the top guys throughout history. i think that if you combine this with the fact that he is dominating the division as hard as it can be dominated right now - eventually recognition is due. resume is a large part of the equation - but when ever there is really no one left to add (not including the guys who won't fight you), you have to use your head and say - how does he match up with everyone from the past?

i don't necessarily agree with everything the article says - TBH i never liked any of fitz articles anyway. but i do like that wlad is starting to get legitimate recognition. he will never have the resume that most of the ATGs had. but to say that he can never rank among them is unfair. if some guy came along and cleaned out the entire division AND cleaned out the klitschkos - then you can surely bet he would be right in the ATG debate.

i don't think that wlad has done enough yet to warrant the greatness that some of those guys have achieved - but i do think that he will do it before his career is over, and at some point - everyone is going to have to give him the credit for it - even you, and joeyzagz.

thanks for this reasonable and realistic post/reply, this is not the kind of feedback I usually get from Klit fans

I feel Wlad is getting there slowly, but this writer just set me on fire when he suggested beating the sacrificial lamb Adamek and that ***** Haye would make Wlad greater than Holy, Holmes and Tyson all of a sudden

my point is that one should get the credit that he deserves
it's not because that Wlad doesn't have great competitors to fight that he should get the same credit that past greats had for fighting other greats while he beats up the Samuel Peters and the Chagaevs of this world

dominating and piling up the defenses is one hell of an achievement, but there will alaways be a lack of big names on Wlad's resume

Adamek and Haye aren't about to fill that void either

a lot of people here would disagree with that, but I feel like I have always given the Klits their due credit, and I have always ranked Wlad way higher than Vitali

[Joeyzagz]

Do you write these replies or is there a monkey writing this crap?

It serioiusly seems like a person with severe mental ******ation writes these posts because a normal person can possibly be this dumb

Exactly my thoughts when I read this excuse for an article.

if wlad was so terrible then he wouldn't be winning right now. tell me - who would you have him fight? who would beat him right now?

And this is the problem. You assume there is someone in this crap era he can fight to become ATG.... And if there isnt, you will create one out of thin air. Let me give you a run down of how pathetic this situation is...

• Tomasz Adamek is ranked #4 and was almost KO'd by a slow Michael Grant
  
• Fat Briggs is fighting for a world title 13 years past his prime
  
• 217 lb Evander Holyfield is still lingering around as a legit contender.

This would be like Ken Norton hanging out in Tysons era, or Ezzard Charles hanging out in Ali's era. This era is the biggest running joke in sports, and to say that two cruiserweights are Wlads best chance at greatness shows how bad things really are.

[Scott9945]

People are going way too far with this Ali talk, I can picture Ali laughing and making fun of the Klits if they were around during his time.

Did you miss the part of this thread title that said "Post-Ali"?

[kenso]

Exactly my thoughts when I read this excuse for an article.



And this is the problem. You assume there is someone in this crap era he can fight to become ATG.... And if there isnt, you will create one out of thin air. Let me give you a run down of how pathetic this situation is...

• Tomasz Adamek is ranked #4 and was almost KO'd by a slow Michael Grant
  
• Fat Briggs is fighting for a world title 13 years past his prime
  
• 217 lb Evander Holyfield is still lingering around as a legit contender.

This would be like Ken Norton hanging out in Tysons era, or Ezzard Charles hanging out in Ali's era. This era is the biggest running joke in sports, and to say that two cruiserweights are Wlads best chance at greatness shows how bad things really are.

just cause a fighter came from cruiserweight doesn't make them any less good. evander came from cruiser and was a beast. by this logic - its sad that the #1 welterweight is a blown up featherweight. david haye certainly isn't a cruiser weight any more. just look at pictures of the dude - hes gotten huge. and hes taking on guys that have been at HW their whole careers. sadly though, hes ducking the fighters hes been begging for.

if you want to criticize the era, by all means do it. it is certainly weak in comparison to its glory days. but i do think adamek and thompson would have been competent in most eras, and wlad/vitali would have been in the mix of the top guys - if not on top in any era. what ever - there are several threads about this one in the world boxing lounge or what ever, agree or disagree.

you say wlad is a joke - you say it all the time, and its ******ed. he's fighting the best that there is to fight, he takes on all comers. if someone even SLIGHTLY maybe even semi deserves a title shot - he gets them out of the way, and almost always by knockout/stoppage. there are more questions hanging over the legitimacy of calzaghes career than klitschkos. you can also be assured that when its all said and done - klitschko will be touted higher in history than calzaghe will be, if he isn't already. and i loved joe calzaghe.

there comes a point to where you have to admit that they are better than just good fighters - they are really ****ing good. aside from some embarrassing losses earlier in his career(and many great fighters have lost to lesser competition at some point in their careers, most recently - lennox) - there is nothing else the guy could have possibly done up to this point. and to be honest - he is even more impressive in the respect that he rebounded from those losses and still had room to grow as a fighter, even at the world class level. the fact that he fights the best, he doesn't duck, he does everything that he can do. he is as legitimate as a heavyweight can possibly be at this point. there is no reason that you shouldn't give him credit. instead you make obscenely ******ed posts in every thread relevant to this topic.

[Lacrimosa]

People are going way too far with this Ali talk, I can picture Ali laughing and making fun of the Klits if they were around during his time.

Well, ALi was trying to make fun of everyone out there... So it`s a no-brainer that he would try to make fun of any Klitschko if they were fighting in the same era.

I don`t agree with the author on Lennox Lewis. I don`t give him credit for beating Holyfield (he deserves credit for the first fight, but the second was really close) and Tyson (way past his prime). I rather respect him for overcoming the likes of Tua, Briggs, Mercer and Mavrovich (the latter was very good, it`s a shame he retired)...

[Lacrimosa]

i never said that i thought wlad accomplished more than those guys - in some respects he did, but resume wise they will always have a better resume. to deem it impossible for him to gain any serious recognition based on this alone is lame IMO. he doesn't have the competition available to fight that those guys did - but by watching him fight, i feel, and many others feel that he would give trouble to/beat many of the top guys throughout history. i think that if you combine this with the fact that he is dominating the division as hard as it can be dominated right now - eventually recognition is due. resume is a large part of the equation - but when ever there is really no one left to add (not including the guys who won't fight you), you have to use your head and say - how does he match up with everyone from the past?

i don't necessarily agree with everything the article says - TBH i never liked any of fitz articles anyway. but i do like that wlad is starting to get legitimate recognition. he will never have the resume that most of the ATGs had. but to say that he can never rank among them is unfair. if some guy came along and cleaned out the entire division AND cleaned out the klitschkos - then you can surely bet he would be right in the ATG debate.

i don't think that wlad has done enough yet to warrant the greatness that some of those guys have achieved - but i do think that he will do it before his career is over, and at some point - everyone is going to have to give him the credit for it - even you, and joeyzagz.

Very good, unbiased post. Sorry can`t give you green.

I would disagree on one point.

If Wlad manages to defeat brutally the guys like Boytsov, Adamek, Haye, Solis, Povetkin, Chisora/Sexton, become the first man to stop Valuev, he would have pretty good resume... But I guess all the above mentioned guys would think twice before facing a Klitschko and half of them would duck him...

[antrob]

Wladimir has only been considered #1 since last summers win over Chagaev.

I do agree with the article on the whole, I can see him dominating for another 5 years and maybe cracking the top 10 HW all time.

Wlad had been consider the #1 heavyweight before he took on Chagaev, he only cemented that by claiming the lineal title by beating him.

[antrob]

just cause a fighter came from cruiserweight doesn't make them any less good. evander came from cruiser and was a beast. by this logic - its sad that the #1 welterweight is a blown up featherweight. david haye certainly isn't a cruiser weight any more. just look at pictures of the dude - hes gotten huge. and hes taking on guys that have been at HW their whole careers. sadly though, hes ducking the fighters hes been begging for.

if you want to criticize the era, by all means do it. it is certainly weak in comparison to its glory days. but i do think adamek and thompson would have been competent in most eras, and wlad/vitali would have been in the mix of the top guys - if not on top in any era. what ever - there are several threads about this one in the world boxing lounge or what ever, agree or disagree.

you say wlad is a joke - you say it all the time, and its ******ed. he's fighting the best that there is to fight, he takes on all comers. if someone even SLIGHTLY maybe even semi deserves a title shot - he gets them out of the way, and almost always by knockout/stoppage. there are more questions hanging over the legitimacy of calzaghes career than klitschkos. you can also be assured that when its all said and done - klitschko will be touted higher in history than calzaghe will be, if he isn't already. and i loved joe calzaghe.

there comes a point to where you have to admit that they are better than just good fighters - they are really ****ing good. aside from some embarrassing losses earlier in his career(and many great fighters have lost to lesser competition at some point in their careers, most recently - lennox) - there is nothing else the guy could have possibly done up to this point. and to be honest - he is even more impressive in the respect that he rebounded from those losses and still had room to grow as a fighter, even at the world class level. the fact that he fights the best, he doesn't duck, he does everything that he can do. he is as legitimate as a heavyweight can possibly be at this point. there is no reason that you shouldn't give him credit. instead you make obscenely ******ed posts in every thread relevant to this topic.

One of the most intelligent post I read on Boxingscene in a long time.

[vitali1999]

Longevity is what Wlad is creatng in his reign. Something most champs could never achieve. He is getting to the point where I would call him an alltime great. The only champ that fought better competton was Ali, you can't say Frank Bruno, Tony Tubbs & listless other that Tyson fought was any better, I would say Biggs & Tucker were the best on his reign & they were good, both undefeated & Biggs was the olympic champ. But Klitschko has already more longevity as champ & title defenses than iron Mke did.