Doug Fischer: "I think Pac-Margarito will do between 1M and 1.5M PPV buys"

[The Big Dunn]

there's really only 2 fighters that were african american aside from floyd that would have meant anything.

nate campbell at 135 and shane mosley at 147.

he only had 1 fight at 135 before oscar accelerated his weight division rise prematurely.

nate campbell would have been a better opponent than david diaz but hindsight is 20/20.

arum planned on him fighting diaz at 135 since before campbell beat juan diaz.

that's why diaz was on the undercard of pac-marquez 2 only a couple of weeks after diaz-campbell.


mosley he could have fought at 147 instead of cotto but cotto and mosley were #1 and #2 in the rankings so not much difference there except cotto was also more money.

out of 50 plus fights , pac has only fought 5 times above 130. not too many great african american fighters during his time in those divisions. certainly not around 2001-2007 after he started fighting in the u.s.

Thanks Tua for being man enough to not rely on ****** ass race card bull****.

There wre more like Zahir Raheem or Zab Judah. If top rank is building manny there is no reason to seek out these typpes of fighters. Economically it doesn't make sense.

Look at it like this. Top rank said Yuri foremna was too tall for manny, yet he is the same size as marg. Yuri's style is not something you expose manny to prior to a floyd fight (at least to the general public). Why take the chance of manny looking bad. That hurts sales.

Unfortunately some people are quick to go to race and not think about the economics.

[Left Hook Tua]

Actually I don't. I do think top rank sees no value in matching manny against black american boxers because(outside of top names) the risk is too high and the reward to little. From a risk standpoint manny (even under roach) leaves himself too open. Quick counterpunches can exploit this. They may not beat manny, but they will surely make him look less than spectacular (like JMM).

From a reward standpoint, few black american fighters generate the kinds of large ppv sales/live gates that mexican and puerto rican boxers do. In that respect its silly for top rank to match manny gainst say Zahir Raheem (someone many posters ******ly say manny ducked).

Its not about race. Its about economic growth and future economic opportunities. Too bad tua and psychoddad immediately go to race.

yeah i wonder why psychodad and i go immediately to race.

i mean you're basically classifying some sort of stylistic superiority because of it.

[The Big Dunn]

So are you saying Pac is scared of African American fighters?Promoters are the one's to blame Pac fights who they put in front of him if Bradley or Alexander were under Top Rank Im sure they would make that happen.Its not Pacs fault that Arum is a business man and Pac wants his piece of that pie too the only way that can happen is by bringing a opponent that brings something to the table Margs sold out the Staples Center and the Home depot center so he is a proven draw and thats the bottom line Arum aint blind .Bradley couldnt even sell out 3000 seat arena in his own home town Alexander is only big in St Lu nobody knows them.I know Margs doesnt deserve a pay day but his resume ****s on Bradleys and Alexander combined.

I didn't say that nor did I imply it. Your problem is you were so quick to associate the post with race because you saw the words black american. Its about economics. Please see my post to **** buffman. Your post suggests you think the same.

[PsYcHoDaD]

yeah i wonder why psychodad and i go immediately to race.

i mean you're basically classifying some sort of stylistic superiority because of it.

EXACTLY for this guy to say a PRO boxer is scared of a certain race is plain ******

[The Big Dunn]

yeah i wonder why psychodad and i go immediately to race.

i mean you're basically classifying some sort of stylistic superiority because of it.

Tua man please. I never said black americans are better than manny nor did I imply it. That said this board will make you over react sometimes.

[The Big Dunn]

EXACTLY for this guy to say a PRO boxer is scared of a certain race is plain ******

WHERE DID I SAY IT OR IMPLY IT PSYCHODAD. You over reacted to what you thout I meant rather than just read the post. But its not all your fault.

[Left Hook Tua]

Thanks Tua for being man enough to not rely on ****** ass race card bull****.

There wre more like Zahir Raheem or Zab Judah. If top rank is building manny there is no reason to seek out these typpes of fighters. Economically it doesn't make sense.

Look at it like this. Top rank said Yuri foremna was too tall for manny, yet he is the same size as marg. Yuri's style is not something you expose manny to prior to a floyd fight (at least to the general public). Why take the chance of manny looking bad. That hurts sales.

Unfortunately some people are quick to go to race and not think about the economics.

top rank never said anything about yuri being too tall.

it was pacquiao and it was taken out of context.

i saw the clip of the interview , american media translated.

pacquiao in tagalog/filipino stated that he thought a foreman fight was gonna be boring.

he didn't think foreman was that good and he would fight a boring style and put on a boring fight because of his height and length.

he didn't say anything about foreman being too tall for him.

[The Big Dunn]

10 years from now, people will look at PAC's era and say 'too bad he never fought Nate Campbell and Zahir ****ing Raheem'

Only the idiots and the haters.

[-MAKAVELLI-]

Big Dunn is a black supremacist

[Left Hook Tua]

Tua man please. I never said black americans are better than manny nor did I imply it. That said this board will make you over react sometimes.

it's not that.

from how you posted that it seemed like you're referring to african-americans as fighting a certain way.

i don't like people saying all african-americans are boxer/counter-punchers anymore than i like people saying mexicans are unskilled , tough brawlers.